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Lunch with Gore Vidal
The Financial Times ^ | 5/19/07 | Victor Mallet

Posted on 05/20/2007 11:23:50 AM PDT by Clemenza

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Vidal is adamant that he is, that the American right effectively staged a coup d’etat after 9/11, that there is a constitutional crisis in which the republic has been replaced by an empire, and that there is a case for impeaching Bush. ”Once you’re imperial you have an emperor and once you have that you’re finished,” he says, recalling his recent reading of Aristotle’s Politics. ”And that has been our condition, taken advantage of by a bunch of sleazy gas and oil hustlers.”

If there is one thing that incenses Vidal about his fellow Americans it is ignorance. Bush, he says, ”knows nothing and he doesn’t want to know anything. He has no curiosity. Have you watched him speak? That little-boy face, mouth ajar, dazed eyes. The rumour round Washington is that he’s gone back to drinking. Well, thank God, he might make a little more sense. A group of us each vowed we would send him a bottle of whisky, but I think it’s heroin probably that he would need.”

Even better, here's the Old Queen on Alberto Gonzales:

”A few weeks ago, the administration got rid of Magna Carta and habeas corpus... That is Mr [Alberto] Gonzales, our Attorney-General, who thinks he’s Attorney-General of Mexico. Where he belongs. No, that is not a racist remark. But it’s on the edge.”

1 posted on 05/20/2007 11:23:52 AM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Clemenza

Gads. Isn’t he dead yet?


2 posted on 05/20/2007 11:25:58 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

How does he sodomize young boys from his wheelchair?


3 posted on 05/20/2007 11:27:03 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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To: Clemenza
For those of you youngin's unfamiliar with the syphilitic mind of Gore Vidal, here is an article I posted a long time ago:

Theodore Roosevelt: An American Sissy

4 posted on 05/20/2007 11:27:33 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Clemenza

I wouldn’t have lunch with Gore Vidal unless I had my back to the restaurant wall the whole time.


5 posted on 05/20/2007 11:29:04 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Clemenza

I’ll read it all later but I must say artichoke soup sounds yummy!


6 posted on 05/20/2007 11:29:21 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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Well, I would never have an egg drop soup PREPARED by Gore Vidal...

Its great to have the guys who come to interview you pick up the tab. Gore Vidal probably hasn't picked up a dinner tab in his life, other than for the odd "boy toy" or two.

7 posted on 05/20/2007 11:33:48 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Clemenza
(I Blew My) Lunch with Gore Vidal
8 posted on 05/20/2007 11:34:12 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Fortunately, he probably can’t. But he’s a big “animal rights” person, so maybe they bring him nubile chimps.


9 posted on 05/20/2007 11:34:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: Clemenza
If there is one thing that incenses Vidal about his fellow Americans it is ignorance.

Ie. true disagreement on any topic. He cannot accept that core values might differ between any two people, and "wrong conclusions" must only be due to others supposed ignorance.

10 posted on 05/20/2007 11:36:58 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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What a worthless human being. A sort of pale 20th century version of Oscar Wilde.


11 posted on 05/20/2007 11:59:44 AM PDT by Mercat
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He cannot accept that core values might differ between any two people, and "wrong conclusions" must only be due to others supposed ignorance.

Vidal has been, I like that phrase when discussing him, the poster boy for Lenny Bruce's deadly accurate description of the American liberal as someone who can understand anything except someone who can't understand them. It is always amusing to hear a Lefty - Vidal, Chomsky etc.- attack those who have struggled to keep their Utopian fantasies at bay thus preserving a system that tolerates malignant tumors of the Gore, Vidal or Albert , variety. Don't you just love irony?
12 posted on 05/20/2007 12:13:07 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: Clemenza

What a chump.


13 posted on 05/20/2007 12:16:17 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Clemenza

An old liberal queen rages on.

No thanks.


14 posted on 05/20/2007 12:22:25 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Clemenza

Well, he shares something with Rush Limbaugh... being able to say “I told you so” brings great joy.

His TV appearances with WFB were wonderful...dueling smart guys.
As I recall, he once called Buckley a “crypto-fascist” who then offered to punch him in the nose.


15 posted on 05/20/2007 12:36:06 PM PDT by BunkDetector
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To: Clemenza

Hillary’s the brightest.”


No she’s dumb as a post; a mediocrity if there ever was one.


16 posted on 05/20/2007 1:09:14 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008; mark my words.)
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To: Clemenza
Vidal the author thus resists pigeonholing.

That's a new name for it?

17 posted on 05/20/2007 1:16:27 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Clemenza
Of course he's always been wrong, and venomous, and shallow.

But if you live long enough you become an institution, a monument from a past era.

Nostalgia's the thing, and it scarcely matters if you were right or terribly wrong.

Indeed, for writers and other marginal figures, being wrong or disreputably can make you more memorable than you would be if you'd made the right decisions and minded your own business.

The same thing's happened to Mailer, though he hasn't played it up as much as Vidal has.

It happened to Ginsberg, too, before he died, and it's Truman Capote's bad luck that he didn't live long enough to see reputation revive.

18 posted on 05/20/2007 1:24:18 PM PDT by x
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These Bush-Derangement-Syndrome, Leftist-Netroot types have been around for decades. Lord knows I have a close relative who is one. Thing is, in the last 4 years or so—especially since the 2006 thumpin’—they are now NORMATIVE for Democrats and the press, and are portrayed as average Americans. What does everybody think??


19 posted on 05/20/2007 1:27:30 PM PDT by guitarist
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Sometimes it’s good to hear from old world leftists like Gore Vidal. Because of the great distance of years between his prime and now, we have the added benefit of perspective. We are able to see more clearly his embittered bias, his hopeless track on the wrong path, and to see his sassy, but inefectual ramblings for what they are: the last gasps of one of social history’s most prominent losers.


20 posted on 05/20/2007 1:41:27 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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