Posted on 05/22/2007 9:47:30 AM PDT by Trueblackman
What’s your solution?
Works for me
No doubt. The same is true with reporting any crime. My point is that the immigration debacle is not a veteran's issue. It is a conservative issue. Trying to make it a veteran's issue is stretching your analogies way past the limit. I oppose amnesty on conservative principles, not because I am a veteran. Amnesty will hurt veterans no more than it will hurt other honest citizens.
I want the readers to understand that in one case the LCPL is a hero and in the other some would label him a racist and a troublemaker for doing the right thing.
You could have just as easily used a civilian in your comparison. But even that would be technically a false analogy. The best analogy would be to note that Mexico, a place that has a GDP that towers over Central America in the same way that the US GDP towers over Mexico, there is no social resistance for arresting illegal immigrants. You could also note that Mexico has a deportation number that rivals that of the US with less than half our population. Why then is there no complaints over Mexico’s policies? At the individual level you could note that a Mexican border patrol agent is commended for defending their border while a US border patrol agent is not. Again, why does nobody oppose Mexico’s actions on defending their sovereignty? None of these analogies involve veterans nor do they need to.
You mean outside of the crimes of entering here illegally, purchasing forged documents, gaining employment by fraud, not paying income tax? Those crimes? Or do you mean the crimes that cause the deaths of thousands of American citizens and legal residents yearly?
Do you never read the news on the net? Even the MSM can't keep all the crimes hidden. MS13 mean anything to you? DUI an acronymn you've never heard of? Our prisons are full of illegal aliens who have committed crimes in this country. They commit more crimes than the black community, that should tell you something. I tell you what: Google illegal aliens and crime and see what you come up with. Better yet Google prison population percentages for illegals and see what happens.
I know about MS-13 they have the county of Fairfax Va. quaking in their boots, drive-bys in Prince George’s County Maryland and rapes in Mid-town DC. DUI is just one of many I can pick from.
>>>they have a maddening tendency to always drive 5mph below the speed limit.
Perhaps that’s why they make up such a large percentage of the DWI crashes in the U.S.
You understood his question. He wanted to know if the crime rate of illegal aliens was higher than that of American citizens, not anecdotes. Multiple studies have shown that it is not. This does not mean that just because they aren't breaking any more laws than Americans that they have the right to amnesty. But it also does not mean that crime rate can be used as a valid point of opposition. As I've said before, there are enough reasons to oppose amnesty without having to make them up.
The oath, which I also took, three times IIRC, is to support and defend *the Constitution* against all enemies, not the nation. Officers, whose oath is the same as the CongressCritters and other federal officials, don't even swear to obey order, as the enlisted oath requires. I took that version twice (once prior to commissioning and once when joing the Air Guard)
Only if the actions on the illegal alien problems manage to become "support" for the enemies of the United States, and thus Treason, does the issue become a Constitutional one.
I would rather have this bill killed and retain the status quo, at least for awhile. I think the outrageousness of this proposal has tossed it into the forefront of the presidential campaigns. I believe we will have a much better chance of getting real border security in the future if the campaigns are forced to address voters outrage and concerns. The fence bill is already law and it would be at least some help if was actually constructed. Increased number of border patrol agents is already the law and that would also help to some extent if the agents were actually hired. I think this is an interim period where the most important thing is to stop the sellout of our Country. This problem has been growing for a long time and it will not be solved quickly or with some "grand" legislation.
The primary goal now has to be to STOP this insane legislation, in any form, from becoming law.
We don't need to change any amendments to move illegals out of the country. We don't need congress to approve or agree, we just need the executive branch to do their job. It is legal, and constitutional, to deport people here illegally. They are not granted equal protection, if they were why is the senate trying to railroad this idiotic bill through?
The OB people, such as yourself, always give themselves away with their stupid statements trying to make it look impossible to deport these law breaking asshats, but your arguments are always full of sh**.
this is critical for everyone I think.
As I related on another thread;
The company I work for had me on a contract job in April where I saw what appeared to be an architect that only spoke Spanish. If this passes you could bring in an endless supply of competent architects or engineers or what have you and hire one guy fresh out of college to sign paperwork. These "undocumented suddenly legals" can do competent work that will meet all standards and you can fire the college kid and get a new one if he demands a real wage. In fact, fire him and get a new one every nine months so they never accrue enough capital and competence to compete with you.
You can do this with any high wage or salary earner, and if the amnesty bill goes through he who jumps fastest will make the mostest. I predict it will happen so fast your head would spin. I do not promise not to participate.
Semper Fidelis
Unless this IS part of the Presidential Election, it won`t get the attention of the voters and that`s when the games are played.
Build a real fence now. Ok I’ll come help, when do we start?
National Employment card. I’m sure we can shove that out the door tomorrow. I’m also sure all of the businesses who “depend” (read insist on) illegal aliens to work for them will jump right on board with this.
Temporary workers program subject to federal and state income tax. Yep, the guvmint should be getting paid as well.
Any crime committed by non citizens means immediate permanent deportation. Yep that works SO well now doesn’t it?
Give up amnesty? As in let them have amnesty?
I agree, screw this congress.
I can agree with alot of what you have to say here, but the point I’m trying to make is this. We can agree to agree or disagree without being sarcastic.
It sure was nice hearing from some body like you that understands both the law and how public opinion is shaped. Really liked the clever demonstration of the art of persuation and you real world experience.
Oh, nobody has ever honored me with the term OB person. Same to you.
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