A Ron Paul end the income tax bump. Amend the Constitution and repeal the 16th amendment.
Dreaming? Hardly!
“First and foremost, it has enabled government to expand far beyond its proper constitutional limits, regulating virtually every aspect of our lives.”
Which is exactly why we’ll never be relieved of the income tax. The purpose is not, nor has it ever been, revenue collection — it’s a mechanism to facilitate control of the population by Government.
It’s just another example of the people getting the Government they deserve.
It is impossible to file a tax return without being a witness against yourself.
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But this can’t be. Paul’s a kook! So ending the income tax is kooky too. < /Paul bashers >
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The Feds tax just about everything else. One slight increase in the gas tax would net billions and killing the income tax would offset the cost of fuel going up. This is true for the alcohol, tobacco and the hundreds of hidden taxes they have going, an slight increase would easily offset the income tax. That is one reason I totally object to the FairTax. It is a stupid proposal.
The 16th Amendment wrote a piece of Communism into the Constitution. The economy would benefit greatly by repealing the 16th Amendment. The American People should be working to better themselves, not to pay off the IRS.
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Bermuda does.
And Panama exists without a Central Bank.
We did until enough presidents stacked the courts with "progressives" to make the permanent income tax Constitutional.
I think the better question is, "Can America exist WITH an income tax?"
I think the income tax and everything that goes along with it has been and is destroying the America the founders left us, and is ushering the America the NWO globalists, the one world government types, would have it be.
#5 "It is impossible to file a tax return without being a witness against yourself." So? As a federal citizen, you don't have the right not to incriminate yourself. That is for State Citizens who are not federal citizens.
#6 "I'm no big Ron Paul fan but I'm with him on this. Repeal the 16th A NOW!" See response to post #11a, and #11b.
#10 "I do agree that the 16th should be abolished." I don't. It would be better for every federal citizen to renounce his federal citizenship and become State Citizens, en masse. The only remaining federal citizens should be the ones living in DC as they have no State to which to retreat.
#11a "The 16th Amendment wrote a piece of Communism into the Constitution." No, it didn't. I used to think so too. The federal government has always been an absolute legislative democracy and it has always had the power to tax federal citizens' incomes. The 16th Amendment simply codified that it was ok to tax federal citizens' incomes, it had always been ok even when it was uncodified prior to the 16th. The 16th did nothing but write down what congress already had the right to do. This is why tax protestor schemes always fail and people go to jail. No one is ever out from under their federal citizenship. Yet there is no law that says you have to be a federal citizen.
#11b The economy would benefit greatly by repealing the 16th Amendment." No, it wouldn't. Since the enactment of the 16th did not grant the preexisting (since the granting of exclusive legislative jurisdiction) right of the federal government to tax the incomes of federal citizens, all the act of repealing the 16th would do is to remove it from print, but the right to tax federal citizens' income would not be interrupted. This is why repealing the 16th and going no farther would be as striking at the branches, but not the root. To interrupt congress' power to tax federal citizens' incomes, it would be necessary to pass a new amendment both repealing the 16th AND barring congress from imposing any income tax on federal citizens wherever they reside. While at it, why not have written a so-called "Federal Bill of Rights For federal citizens" that would include such a provision, and the right not to incriminate yourself, the right to keep and bear arms? There is no such thing, you know. And the first ten amendments to the Constitution protect only de-jure State Citizens from abuse by the federal government in DC. Nothing protects federal citizens, they are liable whichever state they reside in or DC. The federal government reaches outside its geographic limits through the use of contract, to ensnare people nowhere near DC---into being federal citizens. This is how they disarmed citizens after Katrina in New Orleans without actually breaking any laws. Think of the right of congress to do anything it wants to federal citizens as preexisting...similar to the right to keep and bear arms as preexisting, the Constitution didn't grant the right to the State Citizens, it was preexisting. All the 2nd did was to codify the preexisting right. The 16th codified the preexisting right of Congress to tax the income of federal citizens. But note the 2nd didn't guarantee any RTKBA right for federal citizens, hence the total gun ban in DC and shameless yet lawful moves against the guns of federal citizens everywhere residing in the states. Your law abiding nature has nothing to do with anything. If you consider yourself law abiding then do exactly what Congress tells you to do, and no one will get hurt.
#12a "Which is exactly why we’ll never be relieved of the income tax." You can relieve yourself easily enough by never accepting a federal benefit, no SS no medicaid, no medicare, use Federal Reserve Notes under protest, don't use the post office, use federal express and UPS, try not to have bank accounts, at least not in your name. It is tough to be a State Citizen, those who are find their lives get hard. They have land in allodium, but they can't use it as collateral to get a loan from the bank.
#12b "The purpose is not, nor has it ever been, revenue collection — it’s a mechanism to facilitate control of the population by Government." Social engineering is one thing, sure. Paying the interest on the national debt is another. Another yet is that making it legal tender for debts and taxes helps impute value into the currency.
#14. "Yes, we need that and to also get rid of the 16th Amendment forever." See reply to post #11a, and #11b
Some years ago like in the 1990s, those in the freedom movement latched onto being State Citizens and not federal citizens. Their narrow-minded and cynical purpose was not to pay taxes. Normal people considered them tax cheats. Their movement cooled off but their residue can be found on the net. I am thinking it is time to dust off their research, it may have some use yet. We are learning lots of things are being shoved down our throats at an alarming rate. This is partly the reason for the interest in Ron Paul. I think it is because we have lost touch with the kind of citizens we have to be to exercise our rights. We think not living in DC makes us not federal citizens but we are federal citizens. We think residing in a State makes us State Citizens, but it doesn't, any appearance of state citizenship is symbolic, it has no substance. The feds can PROVE you are a federal citizen with documents that YOU SIGNED. Federal citizens are citizens of an absolute legislative democracy, more like subjects. You have to take it. You either become State Citizens or you find a way to force legislatively the Congress to recognize the God given rights that the several States always have.
State Citizen are Sovereigns. Federal citizens are subjects.
The impossible dream!