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FL lawyer says Giuliani, Romney, McCain wrong on Schiavo case
OneNewsNow ^ | 5/28/07 | Jim Brown

Posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:12 AM PDT by wagglebee

The Christian attorney who fought to keep Terry Schiavo alive says the three leading GOP presidential candidates don't understand the important disability issues involved in the widely publicized 2005 case.

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During a recent Republican presidential debate in California, the candidates were asked whether Congress was right to intervene in the Terry Schiavo case by attempting to prevent the state of Florida from removing the disabled woman's feeding tube. The answers varied.

Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said he thought it "was a mistake" for Congress to get involved and the matter should have been left at the state level. Senator John McCain said Congress "probably acted too hastily." And former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani called the case a "family dispute."

David Gibbs III of the Christian Law Association says the United States gives greater due process to convicted murderers than to innocent disabled people. The former attorney for Schiavo's parents argues that Congress did the right thing when it intervened to provide her those rights.

"Many of the candidates are following the political wind, if you will, instead of showing leadership and saying, 'You know what? That was good public policy back then. We need to stand up for the disabled. We need to stand up for the senior citizens,'" Gibbs says. "We need to have that compassion for vulnerable people as opposed to taking the mindset that those people that just don't matter," he notes.

It is disingenuous, the Christian attorney contends, for candidates to claim they are pro-life but not be willing to grant due process rights to the disabled. "If you're pro-life, you have to be pro-life at every step," he says.

"Please understand: our founding fathers understood that you don't have any liberty, our Constitution doesn't matter, if you don't protect the innocent life of the citizens," Gibbs explains. "That's why they talked about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- your free speech, your freedom of religion, your right to own a gun or [receive] due process of law," he says. "If the government can kill you, you have no true liberty."

When Rudy Giuliani visited Florida he initially said he was in favor of assisting Terry Schiavo but later backpedaled from those comments, Gibbs points out. And in the recent GOP presidential debate, he says, only Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and Congressman Duncan Hunter of California got the issue right when they were asked about the Schiavo case.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; davidgibbs; duncanhunter; gibbs; giulianitruthfile; johnmccain; mittromney; moralabsolutes; prolife; terridailies; terrischiavo
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To: dbehsman; erton1

This is no doubt done to avoid addressing the morality of what is right and what is wrong. Some would afford a condemned murderer more legal rights than an innocent woman.


1,521 posted on 07/12/2007 12:43:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: T'wit

Right - the nurses couldn’t testify about what they saw because of the patient confidentiality aspect - great protection for ol’ Michael. So, they went public and took huge heat.

Terri’s best friend also was not allowed to testify by Greer about Terri’s negative feelings about Karen Ann Quinlan’s parents taking her off the respirator. Greer denied that Terri was old enough to know about that case. He was wrong, but oh well, too late now.


1,522 posted on 07/12/2007 12:57:19 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: dbehsman
I see you are back to the nazi card, and now you add slavery. Terri was diagnosed PVS and the autopsy results were consistent with that diagnosis. Sen. Frist said the same after the autopsy results were released. Whether you like it or not, the courts found, by clear and convincing evidence, that it was Terri’s wishes not to be kept alive in the situation she found herself in. The hyperbole in your posts do not help your argument, rather it causes people to ignore your comments. You would do better with sticking to the facts and issues of the case and perhaps you will be less marginalized.
1,523 posted on 07/12/2007 1:10:58 PM PDT by erton1
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To: wagglebee

Due process is not a legal technicality. The rights contained in the U.S. Constitution are not not forfeited just you don’t like the outcome of a case. Show me the Schindlere exception to our due process rights. None of your other buddies want to answer, but maybe you can tell me why Iyer didn’t testify at the trial.


1,524 posted on 07/12/2007 1:23:32 PM PDT by erton1
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To: Sioux-san

Testimony in court is an exception the patient confidentiality.
Ironically, if she had testified in court, she would have had greater protections.


1,525 posted on 07/12/2007 1:26:22 PM PDT by erton1
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To: erton1
The rights contained in the U.S. Constitution are not not forfeited just you don’t like the outcome of a case.

Whose constitutional rights are you referring to? Where in the Constitution does it say that any private citizen or state judge has the right to ignore a congressional subpoena?

You see, it really doesn't matter why Iyer didn't testify. What matters is that YOU and your ilk feel that it is proper to kill a person, who was not charged with any crime, based on a legal technicality.

1,526 posted on 07/12/2007 1:31:59 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: erton1; Sioux-san
Testimony in court is an exception the patient confidentiality.

Are you licensed to practice law in Florida?

1,527 posted on 07/12/2007 1:34:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

You have the right to confront your accusers under the U.S. Constitution ie: cross examination in a trial. Yes, it does matter that Iyer did not testify. She was never questioned under oath. Why she did not testify puts her credibility in question. Our forefathers gave us that protection in the Bill of Rights. I am sorry you and your ilk have such low regard for the Bill of Rights.


1,528 posted on 07/12/2007 2:12:27 PM PDT by erton1
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To: wagglebee

No, I am not licensed in Florida. If you doubt my statement, look up the Florida rules of evidence.


1,529 posted on 07/12/2007 2:14:57 PM PDT by erton1
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To: wagglebee
Re congressional subpoena- if an individual ignores a congressional subpoena, then the congress can bring an enforcement action against that individual for contempt of congress. That is the remedy available. Show me where any action was taken against Terri Schiavo or anyone for her “ignoring” a Congressional subpoena.
1,530 posted on 07/12/2007 2:21:35 PM PDT by erton1
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To: erton1

Terri’s case was always in Probate court, which is where Guardianship issues are handled in Florida. Numerous abuse complaints were filed, but the Protective Services unit was not allowed to pursue anything thanks to Greer (and gutless Jeb Bush). Greer never laid eyes on Terri in all the years this case went on. He was proud to declare finally “This girl is going to die.” No one was allowed to even let her have ice chips during the death watch. The agenda was never about justice for Terri. It’s all about legalizing euthanasia for the old & disabled. Just ask George Soros - you are aware of his national efforts in this arena?


1,531 posted on 07/12/2007 2:27:02 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: erton1
You have the right to confront your accusers under the U.S.Constitution ie: cross examination in a trial.

Michael Schiavo could not of said that any better.

Yes, it does matter that Iyer did not testify. She was never questioned under oath. Why she did not testify puts her credibility in question.

Greer could've allowed her to testify at any time. In fact, he could've ordered her testify. Could you show me where he ordered her to testify in light of her new evidence? And of course, the 'bone scan' was also deemed "entertaining", but it also was not allowed into evidence.

Our forefathers gave us that protection in the Bill of Rights. I am sorry you and your ilk have such low regard for the Bill of Rights.

You seem to be only concerned about "us". Did you have anything to do with the Schiavo case? You seem to talk like a guilty person.

1,532 posted on 07/12/2007 3:33:41 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: erton1
Re congressional subpoena- if an individual ignores a congressional subpoena, then the congress can bring an enforcement action against that individual for contempt of congress. That is the remedy available. Show me where any action was taken against Terri Schiavo or anyone for her “ignoring” a Congressional subpoena.

That was not the posters question. We all know congress didn't take any action, but subpoenas were ignored. In fact, Terri herself was subpoenaed, but they murdered her before she could appear. I see you have high regard for the law.

1,533 posted on 07/12/2007 3:47:20 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: dbehsman; erton1
>> T’wit, you’re wasting your time talking about morality to erton1. He doesn’t have any.

He said as much himself, earlier in this thread. But please be generous in spirit. There is hope for every human soul, and there is no telling what inspiring idea or kind word might lead to the needed change of heart.

1,534 posted on 07/12/2007 3:51:26 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: erton1
>> Why she did not testify puts her credibility in question.

That's gibberish.

She was not permitted to testify. She was willing to testify, so you cannot fault her on that. The other nurses likewise were not permitted to testify. They all had hands-on, personal experience with Terri. None of their armchair critics can gainsay their stories.

If anyone's credibility is in question, it is the judge who suppressed their testimony. The judge obviously did not want the truth to be heard. But it will be heard. Count on it.

1,535 posted on 07/12/2007 3:57:14 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: kozokey
>> but I had always seen that site referred to as being a good source to find documentation and unbiased commentary

You didn't hear it here. See, that's not the Freeper take on things. Freepers naturally wonder why you've been hanging out with alien life forms who do take that view.

1,536 posted on 07/12/2007 4:05:11 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: erton1
You have the right to confront your accusers under the U.S. Constitution ie: cross examination in a trial.

And exactly what crime was Terri accused of?

1,537 posted on 07/12/2007 4:08:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: erton1
>> Our forefathers gave us that protection in the Bill of Rights. I am sorry you and your ilk have such low regard for the Bill of Rights.

Judge Greer would not allow Terri to take holy communion. He and his ilk obviously had no regard for the First Amendment.

1,538 posted on 07/12/2007 4:10:55 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: wagglebee; erton1
And exactly what crime was Terri accused of?

My take is that he is concerned about Michael and what we or Carla says about him How weird is that : ) ?

1,539 posted on 07/12/2007 4:12:17 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: dbehsman
So why do you blindly trust the courts judgment on Terri's life, but not on the life of a capital offense defendant?

This is precisely why I have said many times on this thread that I don't feel I can judge her wishes. I don't know the legalities (and am not interested) and I don't know who of the conflicting family members is accurate and who is not about other than the medicine. And I'm not interesting in wading through the charges and counter charges to find out.

I've said before that both sides have spun the facts. I understand and am interested in the medicine.

You tell me. Was your mother trying to commit suicide by starvation, or was she just not hungry from chemotherapy?

She wasn't on chemotherapy at the time. I also wouldn't say that she was trying to commit suicide, just the body's natural mechanism that she wasn't hungry and didn't want to eat.

1,540 posted on 07/12/2007 4:21:20 PM PDT by retMD
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