Skip to comments.FL lawyer says Giuliani, Romney, McCain wrong on Schiavo case
Posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:12 AM PDT by wagglebee
The Christian attorney who fought to keep Terry Schiavo alive says the three leading GOP presidential candidates don't understand the important disability issues involved in the widely publicized 2005 case.
During a recent Republican presidential debate in California, the candidates were asked whether Congress was right to intervene in the Terry Schiavo case by attempting to prevent the state of Florida from removing the disabled woman's feeding tube. The answers varied.
Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said he thought it "was a mistake" for Congress to get involved and the matter should have been left at the state level. Senator John McCain said Congress "probably acted too hastily." And former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani called the case a "family dispute."
David Gibbs III of the Christian Law Association says the United States gives greater due process to convicted murderers than to innocent disabled people. The former attorney for Schiavo's parents argues that Congress did the right thing when it intervened to provide her those rights.
"Many of the candidates are following the political wind, if you will, instead of showing leadership and saying, 'You know what? That was good public policy back then. We need to stand up for the disabled. We need to stand up for the senior citizens,'" Gibbs says. "We need to have that compassion for vulnerable people as opposed to taking the mindset that those people that just don't matter," he notes.
It is disingenuous, the Christian attorney contends, for candidates to claim they are pro-life but not be willing to grant due process rights to the disabled. "If you're pro-life, you have to be pro-life at every step," he says.
"Please understand: our founding fathers understood that you don't have any liberty, our Constitution doesn't matter, if you don't protect the innocent life of the citizens," Gibbs explains. "That's why they talked about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- your free speech, your freedom of religion, your right to own a gun or [receive] due process of law," he says. "If the government can kill you, you have no true liberty."
When Rudy Giuliani visited Florida he initially said he was in favor of assisting Terry Schiavo but later backpedaled from those comments, Gibbs points out. And in the recent GOP presidential debate, he says, only Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and Congressman Duncan Hunter of California got the issue right when they were asked about the Schiavo case.
Which means you can’t back up your claim that Terri Schiavo was alert and oriented.
I notice how sensitive you people are. Like I said, try no water for a few days. I never seen you object to that. Correct?
I’ve answered variants on this one for you multiple times - it’s what you pull out when you can’t discuss the facts. You seem to think that anyone interested in the correct medical information “wanted Terri dead.” Does that mean that by your standards, anyone who didn’t “want Terri dead” is therefore only interested in incorrect medical information?
Now ain't that sick in itself? I told you to shut up awhile back.
Thank you for your courtesy and interest in civil discussion.
My risk. You are the one ranting on and on and on and on and on about one word.
>> I fear you are making yourself look silly arguing about this
My risk. You are the one ranting on and on and on and on and on about one word
You denied that "oriented" was a standard medical term meaning that the patient is aware of person, place, and time. I've linked to multiple sources to show you that it means just that to any medical person. If you still doubt, I encourage you to ask any nurse, doctor, paramedic or EMT that you know.
>> You denied that "oriented" was a standard medical term meaning that the patient is aware of person, place, and time.
Blah, blah, blah. I said what I said on July 13th. See #1614, e.g. Here you are, still spouting fustian and bombast on an untenable point.
I did. They thought you were way over the top.
It is obvious you're still molesting a goat.
That's OK, he'll change his mind again :-)
>> I was under the impression that bulimia was the basis for a malpractice suit against Terri Schiavo's doctors, not that it was an alibi offered to the police as you are implying?
Thank you for mentioning that. The malpractice suit was fraudulent. Michael knew Terri did not have bulimia and said so under oath. This is the guy you're defending -- a fraud in the malpractice suits and a fraud again in misusing Terri's trust fund. Oh, excuse me, you're not defending him, you're just interested in medical facts, and it's sheer coincidence that you back Michael 100% of the time.
Malpractice suits are a plague to the medical profession. Your guy is a serial malpractice lawsuit abuser. He had no basis for those suits, but you, a doctor, still champion his claims come hell or high water. Dr. Prawer, one of Michael's blameless victims, might wish a few words with you.
Sure. Definition 2 is of strong interest in psychiatry and medicine, btw.
1 a : the act or process of orienting or of being oriented b : the state of being oriented; broadly : ARRANGEMENT, ALIGNMENT
2 a : a usually general or lasting direction of thought, inclination, or interest b : a person's self-identification as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual. >"sexual orientation"
3 : change of position by organs, organelles, or organisms in response to external stimulus
She wasn't permitted to testify. That's because Greer and Felos couldn't afford to let her tell her story. It was too damning to their client.
No, I didn't. But I'll bet everybody's thinking it :-)
With respect to the eventual outcome, yes. But, depriving someone of food and water as opposed to shooting them in the head is much more grevious to the individual IMO. It takes a much longer time to die, and is probably much more painful as well.
But your words were "history of head trauma." You, a doctor, gave out false medical information! You added one word that did not belong, and it gave a totally false picture of the patient! Why, sir, a doctor has far greater responsibility than a nurse in a nursing home. You must be more meticulous than any nurse in your research and reports. When you make false reports such as this "head trauma" blunder, lives are endangered by your carelessness! You are either a complete incompetent or fabricating.
May I presume you, too, were just being sarcastic in saying those silly things about Carla Iyer?
If God decides to bring you home you will not have an opportunity to "swerve". This is a serious question?
Visitors are not here to ask serious questions. THEY think they are here to sow doubt and confusion. WE think they are side-show performers in that carnival that's parked out by the truck stop. For fifty cents you can watch the geek bite the head off a chicken.
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