Posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:12 AM PDT by wagglebee
The Christian attorney who fought to keep Terry Schiavo alive says the three leading GOP presidential candidates don't understand the important disability issues involved in the widely publicized 2005 case.
During a recent Republican presidential debate in California, the candidates were asked whether Congress was right to intervene in the Terry Schiavo case by attempting to prevent the state of Florida from removing the disabled woman's feeding tube. The answers varied.
Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said he thought it "was a mistake" for Congress to get involved and the matter should have been left at the state level. Senator John McCain said Congress "probably acted too hastily." And former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani called the case a "family dispute."
David Gibbs III of the Christian Law Association says the United States gives greater due process to convicted murderers than to innocent disabled people. The former attorney for Schiavo's parents argues that Congress did the right thing when it intervened to provide her those rights.
"Many of the candidates are following the political wind, if you will, instead of showing leadership and saying, 'You know what? That was good public policy back then. We need to stand up for the disabled. We need to stand up for the senior citizens,'" Gibbs says. "We need to have that compassion for vulnerable people as opposed to taking the mindset that those people that just don't matter," he notes.
It is disingenuous, the Christian attorney contends, for candidates to claim they are pro-life but not be willing to grant due process rights to the disabled. "If you're pro-life, you have to be pro-life at every step," he says.
"Please understand: our founding fathers understood that you don't have any liberty, our Constitution doesn't matter, if you don't protect the innocent life of the citizens," Gibbs explains. "That's why they talked about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- your free speech, your freedom of religion, your right to own a gun or [receive] due process of law," he says. "If the government can kill you, you have no true liberty."
When Rudy Giuliani visited Florida he initially said he was in favor of assisting Terry Schiavo but later backpedaled from those comments, Gibbs points out. And in the recent GOP presidential debate, he says, only Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and Congressman Duncan Hunter of California got the issue right when they were asked about the Schiavo case.
When you were up against the OJ look-alike defense team, I expected some brilliant defense of a murder, but now it is looking more and more like second stringers, cut from that elite bunch early on. And now one of their small team has bit the dust.
Cheers!
So it seems. I wished that one well and it turned around and bit my ankle, like an angry chihuahua.
OJ's defense lawyers had exactly the same problem(s). 1) OJ did it. 2) Calculated odds that OJ did it were even more astronomical than the calculated odds that Michael did it.
OJ's lawyers solved it by putting someone else on trial (Mark Fuhrman). Here, Michael's lawyers are busy putting Carla Iyer on trial for finding the empty insulin bottle in the trash. Too bad for them -- this jury isn't buying it.
Look at the dozen or so definitions you and kosokey have referenced that refer to person, place and time. In reality, what nurses are taught is to refer in chart notation on orientation as "oriented X 1, 2, or 3." You should have pointed out to people in this thread that this would be the normal thought and reference of any trained nurse, with the number referring to "self, place, and time." Surely you know that patients may be "oriented" in any combination of these parameters. In the interests of medical accuracy, you should have said so. You know perfectly well a nurse such as Iyer may very well refer to a patient as being "oriented" and mean a simple "oriented X 1." Certainly her observations would support that assessment. Keep in mind also, she was writing to be understood by a general reader, not writing in a chart or addressing a medical audience. There is no call to jump all over her for using one word -- a word easily understood by a lay audience and accurate for her first-hand experience.
Ping to #1664, retMD, erton1 and kozokey, which I believe is meant more for you than for me.
Stick around Tajitaw, the trolls will try every trick in the book. Good post btw.
Well, your star witness, the paid to lie Dr. Cranford hired by Geroge Felos, was grossly mistaken in the past. Notice that that doesn't end with a question mark.
According to this Post, you are wrong. It never occurred to me, but a search on google will validate the poster. Something you want to add?
The poster, like Michael Schiavo, was probably stalking behind the scenes. I got a freepmail from it, but I just deleted it before I read it.
I see that another one of the deathbots has departed.
Correction: Two more!
An according to the autopsy report, they can't talk anymore either.
Well, by their own standards, their euthanization was long overdue.
They really were hurting Michael's cause. Bless them for that.
They should go join up with the WAckos, most of them cheered Terri’s murder.
For their sake, I hope they will reconsider that strongly.
And so calm returns to the peaceful kingdom. The people smile and give thinks to St. Fu, patron saint of hey, let's have a little peace and quiet around here.
Don’t worry, more will come to fill their places, they’re like a virus.
They're like batting practice in slow-pitch league.
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