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To: bjs1779; T'wit
I don't know what you think you are in your own mind, but you have exposed next to nothing.

Let's see:
1. Claims that the bone scan proves Terri Schiavo had fractures
--In fact, the scan shows nuclide accumulations. And if they were fractures, they would only be consistent with a major trauma, such as a high speed deceleration injury.

2. Claims that a domestic, unarmed struggle between two people could generate sufficient force to cause high speed deceleration injuries.
--Multiple medical sites and articles linked to show this is impossible.

3. Claims that Terri Schivo had a neck injury, as "proved" by the muscle rigidity.
--In fact, Terri Schiavo had muscle rigidity in all or most of her skeletal muscles, and was known to have decerebrate rigidity, a known consequence of anoxic brain injury. Her neck x-rays in the ER were negative. No injury to vertebra or spinal cord were found on autopsy.

4. A theory proposed by T'wit that Michael Schiavo knelt on her back, and one knee was on her upper back, causing asphyxia, and the other by her thigh, causing the nuclide accumulation and "shaggy" appearance on xray that Dr. Walker said could have been a hemorrhage under the periosteum (covering of the bone.)
-- Aside from other concerns about this theory, the abnormal bony area was on the front of the thigh, not the back. Further, it was right near the knee, which meant it could not have come in contact with the floor because the kneecap protrudes further.

5. Accusation that I was dishonest, that the autopsy report did not say Terri Schiavo had osteoporosis in 1991
--right there in the autopsy report.

6. Claims that "Dr. Michael Baden, the world famous pathologist, has looked into the case. He thinks Terri was the victim of trauma."
--Contradicted by two of his interviews.

7. Claims that Michael Schiavo's body weight alone on Terri Schiavo's back would cause asphyxia.
--Contradicted by an article from Academic Emergency Medicine.

8. Claims that Terri Schiavo had no therapy or swallowing test.
-- only to have to admit 'well, yes, she did have therapy early on'.

9.Claims that Carla Iyer is a very credible witness.
--Carla Iyer shown to be either grossly ignorant of what she should know as a nurse, or fabricating.

There were more, but that sounds like enought to start with.

1,550 posted on 07/12/2007 6:06:55 PM PDT by retMD
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To: retMD

Keep going, doc. You have an infinite number of “proofs” to “prove” before you can get Michael off the hook. I’m going to save your list, just in case he confesses.


1,552 posted on 07/12/2007 6:49:48 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
You say you have exposed as MISinformation the following:

>> 1. Claims that the bone scan proves Terri Schiavo had fractures
--In fact, the scan shows nuclide accumulations. And if they were fractures, they would only be consistent with a major trauma, such as a high speed deceleration injury.

There was no misinformation. The bone scan didn't "prove" fractures. It did, however, show a pattern of hot spots for which the most likely explanation is healing fractures.

Yes, they would be traumatic. Dr. Walker thought so. The bone bruise indicated could hardly have been caused by anything but blunt force trauma. The posterior rib damage was highly suggestive of abuse. Posterior rib damage is not associated with iatrogenic causes such as resuscitation.

These are among the reasons why this document would have gotten Michael Schiavo's phony malpractice suit thrown out of court. And, it is why the bone scan implicates Michael Schiavo in probable domestic violence.

1,562 posted on 07/13/2007 12:27:52 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
You say you have corrected MISinformation as follows:

>> 2. Claims that a domestic, unarmed struggle between two people could generate sufficient force to cause high speed deceleration injuries.
--Multiple medical sites and articles linked to show this is impossible.

Impossible? Under any imaginable circumstance? Darned if I can see how any study could prove such a thing. I think you're the one spreading medical misinformation, not "correcting" it.

I told you, Michael squashed her. If you think you can prove otherwise, put some money on it and make the bet payable to Free Republic.

1,563 posted on 07/13/2007 12:49:52 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
>> 3. Claims that Terri Schivo had a neck injury, as "proved" by the muscle rigidity.

She may very well have had a neck injury. Who claimed it was proven? Nobody. Talk straight.

>> Her neck x-rays in the ER were negative.

Let me correct your own medical misinformation. She had one (1) cervical x-ray in the ER, not multiple "x-rays." Let's not pretend one x-ray is decisive or rules out soft-tissue injury.

1,564 posted on 07/13/2007 1:04:37 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
>> A theory proposed by T'wit that Michael Schiavo knelt on her back, and one knee was on her upper back, causing asphyxia, and the other by her thigh, causing the nuclide accumulation and "shaggy" appearance on xray that Dr. Walker said could have been a hemorrhage under the periosteum (covering of the bone.)

The theory stops at the word "asphyxia" and it is by no means disproven. I did and do speculate that the force of a large man's knees might have done the damage shown in the bone scan at two unusual spots. Other apparent fractures would need further explanation in a struggle. I was concerned to show possible mechanics for Terri's near-fatal brain injury (with few or no external marks). Asphyxiation / strangulation is the prime candidate.

The bone scan was, in fact, incidental to the theory. Terri could have been asphyxiated or smothered in the posture I suggested -- and I believe you agreed with that? -- even if the bone scan showed HO rather than healing fractures.

1,565 posted on 07/13/2007 1:17:56 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
>> 5. Accusation that I was dishonest, that the autopsy report did not say Terri Schiavo had osteoporosis in 1991

I did not make the accusation, and you are not correcting "medical misinformation" in referring to it. Nonetheless, I'd speculate that the autopsy itself was flat wrong about Terri having documented osteoporosis in 1991. Dr. Thogmartin should be challenged for his source.

1,566 posted on 07/13/2007 1:26:03 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
>> Claims that "Dr. Michael Baden, the world famous pathologist, has looked into the case. He thinks Terri was the victim of trauma."
--Contradicted by two of his interviews.

Dr. Baden DID say he thought she was the victim of trauma, then he changed his mind and said the autopsy ruled it out. So, he said two opposite things. Nothing wrong with that.

I think he was right the first time.

1,567 posted on 07/13/2007 1:29:57 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
>> 7. Claims that Michael Schiavo's body weight alone on Terri Schiavo's back would cause asphyxia. --Contradicted by an article from Academic Emergency Medicine.

You state the case wrong. The claim was that he pinned her head (or neck) down too, along with putting his weight on her back. I invited you to be the guinea pig for a follow-up study on the stated terms. Are you quite certain it's safe?

1,568 posted on 07/13/2007 1:38:01 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
>> 8. Claims that Terri Schiavo had no therapy or swallowing test.

Huh? She had three swallowing tests. Who claimed she didn't? There were none after the early years (1992?).

1,569 posted on 07/13/2007 1:48:10 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: retMD
>> 9.Claims that Carla Iyer is a very credible witness.
--Carla Iyer shown to be either grossly ignorant of what she should know as a nurse, or fabricating.

It's your claim, based on your fancy-pants interpretation of a single word she used, that is ridiculous.

Carla Iyer is a courageous and highly credible witness for the reasons I gave. She put her career on the line to tell the truth. You don't risk a thing sitting in an armchair and calling her names.

1,570 posted on 07/13/2007 2:01:41 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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