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Immigration disaster looming
The Washington Times ^ | May 29, 2007

Posted on 05/29/2007 3:12:23 PM PDT by Zakeet

Judging by what took place in the first hours of the Senate immigration debate last week, critics are deluding themselves if they expect lawmakers to improve the bill when debate resumes after the Memorial Day recess. Most of the organized political pressure on the immigration issue is coming from open-borders advocates intent on enabling more illegals to obtain amnesty and bring their relatives to the United States, and from Washington elites on the left and the right who think anyone who doesn't share their permissive philosophy is backward and xenophobic. Unless the American people rise up en masse and tell their senators in no uncertain terms that they cannot accept amnesty, the Senate bill will easily pass and no one should be surprised if it passes with amendments making it even more harmful to taxpayers and detrimental to hometown safety and homeland security.

Two votes in particular that occurred on Thursday illustrate the problem. Sen. Norm Coleman a moderate Minnesota Republican who cannot possibly be termed "anti-immigrant" or a "bomb thrower" introduced an amendment aimed at closing the notorious "sanctuary city" loophole that cities and states are using to avoid compliance with federal immigration law. Section 642 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 was supposed to guarantee that local law-enforcement officials can communicate with with federal law-enforcement agencies regarding suspected immigration violations. But to get around federal immigration law, localities have instituted ordinances barring local law enforcement from even asking whether someone is lawfully in the United States. Mr. Coleman's amendment would permit law-enforcement officers to ask about a person's immigration status during routine investigations. "In a post 9-11 world, it is simply unacceptable for communities to ignore federal laws requiring them to share this type of information with federal authorities," Mr. Coleman said.

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KEYWORDS: duncanhunter; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrants; immigration
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Bears repeating: Unless the American people rise up en masse and tell their senators in no uncertain terms that they cannot accept amnesty, the Senate bill will easily pass and no one should be surprised if it passes with amendments making it even more harmful to taxpayers and detrimental to hometown safety and homeland security.
1 posted on 05/29/2007 3:12:25 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

I feel the fix is already in and there is nothing that will stop the insanity. We will have to vote them OUT, and try to reorganize with a new group of conservative leaders that will do the will of the people as they are elected to do.


2 posted on 05/29/2007 3:15:11 PM PDT by devane617 (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.)
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To: Zakeet

REVOLUTION NOW!!!


3 posted on 05/29/2007 3:17:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: Zakeet

One question I have not seen addressed — if this bill passes, is it irrevocable? Would it grant illegal aliens rights that were legally enforceable and could not be revoked by a later, saner Congress?


4 posted on 05/29/2007 3:19:03 PM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills. 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London, Salt Lake City)
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To: devane617
I feel the fix is already in and there is nothing that will stop the insanity. We will have to vote them OUT, and try to reorganize with a new group of conservative leaders that will do the will of the people as they are elected to do.

Defeatism serves no purpose.
1. We can still change votes.
2. Even if we cannot, a failure to do anything will not help. We will become depressed and the politicians will wigh the ticked off minority vs changing demographics.
5 posted on 05/29/2007 3:19:07 PM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: All

Time to send in your contributions to the only presidential candidate who can credibly reverse this manure-ridden setup: Duncan Hunter.

I hope he gets traction out of this.


6 posted on 05/29/2007 3:25:23 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Zakeet

They have insanity in washington. They have gone INSANE.


7 posted on 05/29/2007 3:34:45 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I'm gonna vote for Fred. John Bolton for VP.)
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To: Zakeet
Absurd as this argument was, Mr. Menendez and Sen. Edward Kennedy defeated Mr. Coleman's amendment by a 49-48 vote, with eight Republicans Sens. Pete Domenici (New Mexico), Chuck Hagel (Nebraska), Dick Lugar (Indiana), Mel Martinez (Florida), Olympia Snowe (Maine); Arlen Specter (Pennsylvania), George Voinovich (Ohio) and Lindsey Graham (South Carolina) joining 41 Democrats in opposition.

A faily concise list of RINO enemies. These are the traitors upon whom extreme pressure must be applied. Everyone who reads this should call their offices tomorrow.

8 posted on 05/29/2007 3:35:31 PM PDT by WayneM (Democrats - The Party of Traitors.)
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To: omega4412

“One question I have not seen addressed — if this bill passes, is it irrevocable?”

YES.

IT’S IRREVOCABLE!

Read the thing!

If it doesn’t scare you I don’t know what will.


9 posted on 05/29/2007 3:42:03 PM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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To: Zakeet
CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

10 posted on 05/29/2007 3:46:34 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Zakeet

“Most of the organized political pressure on the immigration issue is coming from open-borders advocates intent on enabling more illegals to obtain amnesty and bring their relatives to the United States,”

Who are these people? Why do they have pull with our politican’s?


11 posted on 05/29/2007 3:46:41 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil

“Who are these people?”

Start with the national Chamber of Commerce.


12 posted on 05/29/2007 3:48:38 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: devane617
Once this is passed the damage will be done, voting them out later is not the solution.

It has to be stopped now, this is not the time wring our hands, and say the fix is in, it is the time to STOP it!

13 posted on 05/29/2007 3:48:45 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: omega4412

That would never happen.


14 posted on 05/29/2007 3:54:14 PM PDT by FReepapalooza
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To: rmlew; c-b 1
See my sig...I agree, but the more I see this in the news the dimmer I believe our chances are at stopping it. My Senators, Congressman, and President, must know me by now as much as I have written and called.
15 posted on 05/29/2007 3:55:57 PM PDT by devane617 (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.)
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To: EEDUDE
If it doesn’t scare you I don’t know what will.

I am fearful of this bill being signed. My health has suffered because of my anger over our leaders rulers shoving this down our throats. I hardly ever look at FOX, but reading on FR last night, I saw that Sowell was on H&C. I tuned it.

Sowell says he can see a time when a military coup could come about in this country. I sometimes wish our military would arrest many in Congress and the Executive branch of government for treason. The military could secure the border in no time and monitor the building of a secure wall Things are truly out of control in D.C.

16 posted on 05/29/2007 3:56:07 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: c-b 1

“Once this is passed the damage will be done, voting them out later is not the solution.”

So right. These thugs if voted out will simply move onto jobs with the Big Businesses they help guarantee cheap labor by passing this bill.

After this bill passes, the GOP will be finished. The only question is if the votes of new mexican “legals” will be enough to make up for millions of conservatives who will no longer be voting or voting GOP.


17 posted on 05/29/2007 3:56:10 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: omega4412
NOTHING! Nothing. Is irrevocable.
But having the deleterious effect of an untold number of individuals made legal by fief, is VERY problematic.
Sort of like Un-ringing a bell.
Once here and ensconced within the heart of the nation and feeding at the breast of the system, it is VERY, VERY difficult to remove those invited in by dint of political calculation and gross stupidity. Better to be selective with the invitations to our party rather than have it crashed by anyone who is looking for a "Rave" with benefits.
18 posted on 05/29/2007 3:57:01 PM PDT by Gideon Reader (DEMOCRATS: Not quite American, and proud of it! Palestinians are,...well Palestinian.)
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To: Zakeet

Remember this has to go through the House too. From many perspectives the House is more conservative than prior to the mid-terms as many Blue Dog Democrats got in on this specific issue over their open-borders GOP opponents. We need to start lobbying them hard and heavy.


19 posted on 05/29/2007 3:57:18 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: EEDUDE
IT’S IRREVOCABLE!

Oh, for goodness sakes. I'm utterly opposed to this travesty of a bill, and its passage would mark a dark chapter in our history, and possibly threatens the continued existence of the Republic itself. But, even the Constitution can be modified. This bill is not, and cannot be, irrevocable.

20 posted on 05/29/2007 3:57:54 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Zakeet

We are going to have to be prepared to do what the Left does.

Tie this abortion up in the courts if it passes.

That would buy enough time to elect a new group in Congress to overturn this horrible legislation.

And if that doesn’t work, it’s time for the torches and pitchforks, folks.


21 posted on 05/29/2007 3:58:23 PM PDT by exit82 (Sheryl Crow is on a roll)
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To: Zakeet

A Million Minute Man March?


22 posted on 05/29/2007 3:59:40 PM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: Kevmo
the only presidential candidate who can credibly reverse this manure-ridden setup

This has nothing to do with the Presidency.

If Ghengis Khan were President, you would still have the same Congress, and the same laws.

23 posted on 05/29/2007 4:01:09 PM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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To: Sybeck1

Sounds like a plan


24 posted on 05/29/2007 4:02:02 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: omega4412
...if this bill passes, is it irrevocable?

I would say once passed, the impact is mostly irrevocable. It reminds me of the gay 'marriages' that happened not so long ago. Once they are in, they are in. Now is the time to stop this madness because it will be much more difficult to undo the amnesty than it will be to stop it - especially with '08 in question. If a socialist wins after amnesty (ala Hillary's shared prosperity) we're done.
25 posted on 05/29/2007 4:02:15 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: exit82

"Can you say watta figgin mess?"

26 posted on 05/29/2007 4:02:29 PM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Zakeet

I agree with everything about that title, except the ‘looming’ part.


27 posted on 05/29/2007 4:02:37 PM PDT by tanuki (u)
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To: sgtbono2002
They have insanity in washington. They have gone INSANE.

The Greeks said, "Those whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad."

I thought it was curiously poetic when I first heard it. Now I get it.

28 posted on 05/29/2007 4:11:10 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: Zakeet
But our Fearless Leader has already spoken: those who don't want this disaster "don't want to do what's right for America."

If this is right for America, wouldn't you hate to see what's wrong for America?


29 posted on 05/29/2007 4:11:48 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("...stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you..." -Deut. 21:21)
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To: Liz

Liz, thanks for the laugh—my blood pressure is not having a good day.


30 posted on 05/29/2007 4:13:09 PM PDT by exit82 (Sheryl Crow is on a roll)
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To: omega4412

It could possible be shut down and/or amended to limit how many can get green cards later.
OTOH, you dont see that happening...

IT IS NOW OR NEVER FOR THE OPEN BORDERS FOLKS.


31 posted on 05/29/2007 4:14:11 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.))
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To: Zakeet

If this disaster passes, America will soon be FUBAR.


32 posted on 05/29/2007 4:15:55 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Jim Noble

This has nothing to do with the Presidency.
***So the fact that GWB is the driving force behind this bill has nothing to do with it. I’m afraid that your statement is so far out of touch that I have trouble taking you seriously.


33 posted on 05/29/2007 4:19:11 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: omega4412

It could possible be shut down and/or amended to limit how many can get green cards later.
OTOH, you dont see that happening...

IT IS NOW OR NEVER FOR THE OPEN BORDERS FOLKS.

If they fail now, they will *NEVER* get amnesty for 12 million. That is why it is vitally important to make a loud noise to stop this. It *can* be stopped. Not necessarily in the Senate, but wounding it in the Senate will perhaps kill it in the House.

Urge every Senator to vote against and share your strong opposition. The time is NOW.


34 posted on 05/29/2007 4:19:28 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.))
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To: omega4412

It is not irrevocable immediately. It just sets up a whole new set of rules and regulations for the illegals to follow if they want to keep their ‘temporarily legal’ status. We all know that the current regime of theives in Washington won’t enforce any of them, such as paying a fine, or getting a biometric ID card (whatever that is), or touching back to their country of origin.

However, if a new set of rulers takes charge, they could actually enforce the rules in this new law. If the new law were actually enforced, the government could deport the aliens who are not living up to it. If this travesty becomes law, I guess it’s just a question of whether we are able to elect leaders who will shut down the border, and enforce the law, before we are voted into a permanent minority by the low-skilled, non-English speaking hordes. If this goes through, I think we have about 10 years, maybe less, then it will be irrevocable.


35 posted on 05/29/2007 4:22:52 PM PDT by Big E
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To: blam
You will probably shoot yourself in the foot. lol
36 posted on 05/29/2007 4:30:33 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: Zakeet

Term limits might put the brakes on some of the insanity that passes for governance in Washington. The securing of the borders needs to begin on Capitol Hill.


37 posted on 05/29/2007 4:43:47 PM PDT by Graymatter (FREDeralist)
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To: Zakeet

It’s just (snort) impossible to deport 12 million people! Where you been boy—livin’ in a 3 bedroom ranch in Fort Wayne? Snort!
But makin’ these guests from Mexico, or uninvited, trespassing lawbreakers, as you call them: you say tomata . . . comply with a couple dozen onerous laws and regulations, well that’s completely `do-able’.
How do I know that?
Well, Billy Kristol over at the Weekly Standard told me.
Next, the Optimists, Elks and Oddfellows are building chapters in Baghdad, Fallujah and Najaf. Ain’t that a hoot? And that Mookie fellow’s gonna join up. Don’t believe me do you?
Well, let’s face it: that’s `cause you’re a bunch of frightened, unpatriotic vigilantes.
But on a more positive note, Billy says they’re going to add a book to the Old Testament*


38 posted on 05/29/2007 4:47:06 PM PDT by OkieDoke (*the Book of Kristol about the Babalogna conquest, and I'm gonna be in it--me, George Bush. And then)
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To: Cacique

I agree with have to keep on calling and writing to the Senators and the Representatives and RNC.


39 posted on 05/29/2007 4:54:19 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Zakeet

“Bears repeating: Unless the American people rise up en masse and tell their senators in no uncertain terms that they cannot accept amnesty, the Senate bill will easily pass and no one should be surprised if it passes with amendments making it even more harmful to taxpayers and detrimental to hometown safety and homeland security.”

I have been saying the same thing for a long time…not necessarily here, but to my family and friends.

We have no sign of leadership from those who are running for president and those who are thinking about running for the roses in the future. We need a leader. Period. We need someone who knows how to lead and lead us en masse to take back our country.

I’m not saying that person would even want to run for president. We just need a leader or leaders who know how to organize marches/demonstrations against the traitors in Washington.


40 posted on 05/29/2007 5:00:29 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: c-b 1

“Once this is passed the damage will be done, voting them out later is not the solution.

“It has to be stopped now, this is not the time wring our hands, and say the fix is in, it is the time to STOP it!”

You are absolutely correct. These are my exact beliefs.


41 posted on 05/29/2007 5:05:09 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Sybeck1

“A Million Minute Man March?”

That is one possibility. We need much more though.

To arms! To arms! The U.S. Government is coming!


42 posted on 05/29/2007 5:09:13 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“The Greeks said, “Those whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad.”

How very fitting. Thank you.


43 posted on 05/29/2007 5:14:41 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: sand88

I voted for and liked GW for the most part. But if I was a armed Secret Service Agent guarding the President and I knew that Cheney opposed the bill and Bush supported it and it was waiting for the President to either sign it or veto it.

Kind of like Sowell is saying about a coup. It is coming time to think about the unthinkable.


44 posted on 05/29/2007 5:38:48 PM PDT by Swiss
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To: sand88
Sowell says he can see a time when a military coup could come about in this country. I sometimes wish our military would arrest many in Congress and the Executive branch of government for treason. The military could secure the border in no time and monitor the building of a secure wall Things are truly out of control in D.C.

wow. do you have a link to the transcript?

45 posted on 05/29/2007 5:44:57 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Swordfished

Sorry to butt in, but that was a good question. I thought I would look into it.

I found this link where he said the same thing but was an op-ed piece on national review online where he used the same line.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmU0NGQ0ZTQzZTU4Zjk4MjdjZWMzYTM4Nzk2MzQ0MGI=


46 posted on 05/29/2007 6:08:40 PM PDT by PaRepub07
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To: sand88

BUMP


47 posted on 05/29/2007 6:18:17 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: PaRepub07
thanks for the link.

...A reader sent the following message, quoting his nephew: “Calling an illegal alien an ‘undocumented worker’ is like calling a drug dealer an ‘unlicensed pharmacist.’“...

...When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can’t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup....

48 posted on 05/29/2007 6:27:14 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: tennmountainman
After this bill passes, the GOP will be finished.

I sincerely hope that you are right. At the very least it will have ceased to be a major political force. The acrimony that certain GOP senators have created will last on and on.

I, for one, will never vote for a GOP candidate again. I'm waiting for the institution of a new, truly conservative party. And if one doesn't come? Well, I'm reaching the point age-wise that I may not care.

49 posted on 05/29/2007 6:27:34 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

If this bill passes, that will be it for me as well.


50 posted on 05/29/2007 6:35:56 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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