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Gun-toting teens alarm residents
spokesmanreview.com ^ | 05-31-07 | Hope Brumbach

Posted on 06/01/2007 1:26:08 PM PDT by em2vn

POST FALLS – Zach Doty typically wears a tie and dress shirt to church. But lately, a new accessory of his is raising alarm in Post Falls.

After turning 18 last month, the Post Falls teenager began strapping a loaded 9 mm Glock 19 handgun to his belt every day. He totes it in full view to Bible studies, the public library, city parks and neighborhood stores and on walks around town.

His 15-year-old brother, Stephen, has joined him, carrying a loaded Ruger .22-caliber rifle slung over his shoulder.

The brothers, who are home-schooled, say they're flexing their Second Amendment right, which allows citizens to bear arms. They say they're protecting themselves and others, deterring crime and making a statement about constitutional freedoms.

"If you don't exercise a right, eventually it will go away," Zach Doty said last week, a handgun tucked in a holster on his hip. "I'd like to raise people's awareness that it's a right, and I hope to encourage others to exercise that right."

The brothers are stirring up concern about citizen safety and gun responsibility.

Residents have alerted police and complained to the city. Police officers have stopped the boys on several occasions in the past six weeks.

And city officials say the brothers' action may lead to restrictions on carrying weapons on public property within city limits. At this time, the city doesn't have an ordinance that prohibits firearms in most public buildings.

"It obviously has created some controversy in the community. …We are fielding a significant number of calls from concerned citizens about how we're going to react to this and how we're going to ensure their safety is upheld," Post Falls City Administrator Eric Keck said. "It really is a matter of defining things very carefully and balancing maintaining one's rights and what has become the norm of society. It's something we're really going to have to examine."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: banglist; bible; idaho; rifle; secondamendment
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To: Little Bill
This is the Idaho I was a kid in.

It's the same Idaho today. Nobody would say squat in Pocatello. Frankly, we could use a lot fewer imports of bedwetters from surrounding states. I believe this whiner arrived from Arizona. Adopt the community norms or get the hell out.

81 posted on 06/01/2007 2:56:01 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: L98Fiero

Thank you.

All I was saying is just because you have a right....


82 posted on 06/01/2007 2:58:29 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Global Warming is Leftist Theology - Why is it Being Taught in School?)
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To: napscoordinator
I thought there was an age limit on carrying arms. I guess it depends on the state. It would definitely be surprising to see a 15 year old walking around with a loaded weapons.

It's perfectly legal here in Idaho. We have 15 year olds driving cars too. Far more dangerous.

83 posted on 06/01/2007 2:58:46 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: fr_freak
"were to allow the sniveling of a few people to intimidate them into not carrying"

Intimidate? You seem to forget that sniveling people vote. And if there are enough snivelers, open carry will be no more.

And after open carry is banned, then you can come crying on Free Republic about how ignorant those people are.

84 posted on 06/01/2007 3:00:01 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: em2vn

selfping


85 posted on 06/01/2007 3:01:18 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) 9/11: Many of us REFUSE to Forget!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Sorry, but this IS a test.

City officials will ultimately decide on these kids right to walk down the street locked and loaded.


Well, if you're going to insist on believing that, I can't stop you. As to whether the city officials will decide this - that depends on the state constitution. If the state constitution doesn't forbid local municipalities from infringing on this right, then I suppose the city can make the ordinance. I will say this, though. If this right was so fragile that the first time it was exercised, a mere city council could take it away, then it wasn't really much of a right, was it? It's a damn shame when Americans are more comfortable with less rights than more.
86 posted on 06/01/2007 3:02:36 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Responsibility2nd
City officials will ultimately decide on these kids right to walk down the street locked and loaded.,/p>

City officials will be booted out of office if they even try to infringe on the rights of citizens to carry arms in the city limits. The state attorney general will nail them hard and fast.

87 posted on 06/01/2007 3:04:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: beltfed308
we are talking about an inalienable right!

The inalienable rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Gun-bearing IS a right, but not an inalienable one. Don't get me wrong, I'm against gun control as much as the next FReeper, I'm just pointing this out.
88 posted on 06/01/2007 3:05:05 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (The best way to punish a man is to elect him to Congress)
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To: Myrddin

Must move to Idaho. I mean it seriously would take some getting use to but I like freedoms and Americana which Pennsylvania has mostly but there are parts that amaze me in the liberalism...


89 posted on 06/01/2007 3:05:29 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Intimidate? You seem to forget that sniveling people vote. And if there are enough snivelers, open carry will be no more.

And after open carry is banned, then you can come crying on Free Republic about how ignorant those people are.


You and others on this thread who have argued this angle come across as the worst sort of wimps. From what I see, you are arguing that you better not try to exercise your right, or somebody might get mad and take it away. You are willing to give up your rights on the mere possibility that it might make someone mad or scared. Are you always so afraid to assert yourself?

As far as me crying to Freerepublic about snivelers voting even more rights away, there's no chance of that happening. I'm from California. I have a lifetime of experience in learning to deal with sniveling hippies ruining everything. I don't bother crying about it. I just bide my time....
90 posted on 06/01/2007 3:09:56 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Inspectorette

Good call I wondered when someone would pick up on that.


91 posted on 06/01/2007 3:10:54 PM PDT by rightwingfop
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To: napscoordinator
Must move to Idaho. I mean it seriously would take some getting use to but I like freedoms and Americana which Pennsylvania has mostly but there are parts that amaze me in the liberalism...

Pennsylvania is working on a bill that would have you registering every gun you own and paying a few per gun ANNUALLY. Not even Kalifornia is that fascist. Our legislature (Idaho) is made of elected citizens that are not professional politicians. They just get paid per diem for the nominal 5 weeks a year that they meet in Boise. That results in far less meddling legislation than you see in states with full time professional politicians.

92 posted on 06/01/2007 3:11:33 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Wow! Dang I thought that our state was just going purple not all out blue. Man I need to call some people on this one. Thank you for the heads up!!!!!


93 posted on 06/01/2007 3:16:18 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Myrddin
We have 15 year olds driving cars too. Far more dangerous.

Too true. Heck, you can't even trust an 18-year-old to drive a car safely. You hear of WAAAAYY more auto deaths involving teenagers than you do shootings.
94 posted on 06/01/2007 3:18:25 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (The best way to punish a man is to elect him to Congress)
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To: em2vn
I am an absolutist when it comes to the second Amendment. Right to keep and bear means exactly THAT. The boys have a clear right to open carry according to the laws of the state and municipality, as well. Whoopeee!

That said, I think they are being obnoxious and stupid. Not that it is not good to be obnoxious and stupid sometimes in the cause of liberty, but the fact is that they wanted to attract attention to themselves by their activity, and they did.

As an aside to the "guns in church" subthread, it is true that a semi-cult leader who was pastor of Berea Bible Church, a guy named RB Thieme, used to preach in full military regalia, called his parishioners "you blockheads" as though they were in bootcamp, and encouraged his followers to bring weaponry to church. I guess he is long dead, but I remember running into his followers as an undergrad a LONG LONG time ago.

95 posted on 06/01/2007 3:19:45 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: em2vn
If my memory is correct,English common law says you can openly bear arms as long as they are not brandished or displayed in such a way as to threaten or intimidate the public
96 posted on 06/01/2007 3:20:47 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

These boys are the very epitome of responsibility. I hope that they become a trend. Our society has a long way to go to regain its former tolerance.

In the 1960, boys carried shotguns to church in NYC, and no one even mentioned it. Guns were a cultural norm. It is only after the decades old assault on the culture that this is even an issue.


97 posted on 06/01/2007 3:21:06 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Responsibility2nd

“And city officials say the brothers’ action may lead to restrictions on carrying weapons on public property within city limits”

If you restrict your ability to use your rights based on other peoples reaction to their use, you have already lost them.


98 posted on 06/01/2007 3:23:44 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Charlespg
you can openly bear arms as long as they are not brandished or displayed in such a way as to threaten or intimidate the public

Cops here in NC will take the position that if someone calls about it, then you are "intimidating" the public with it. I would pull the same stunt as these kids just to force a case, but I don't have the time or the discretionary funds to bankroll a long and expensive lawsuit. Better just to get a cc permit and they will leave you alone. However, the city I live in (Durham) has the dubious distinction of being the ONLY city in NC that has a law REQUIRING you to register a handgun. We ignore it, of course, but it is on the books.

99 posted on 06/01/2007 3:27:23 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: napscoordinator

I’m a grandfather. I do not let my 3-1/2 year old or my 2-1/2 year old shoot at my house, period. They must shoot in the dirction away from the house.


100 posted on 06/01/2007 3:28:38 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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