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Pardon Libby
American Spectator ^
| 6-21-07
| R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.
Posted on 06/22/2007 5:45:36 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: STARWISE
I pardon at this point would be a huge mistake. Libby would forever be tagged as GUILTY. A respite from any jail time would be perfect, while his appeal is decided. He stands a very good chance of winning on appeal.
To: jwpjr
The only way a pardon would be good at this point is if the judge does not let him remain free pending the appeal. A respite would let him stay out of jail pending the appeal.
To: Ronin
Yes. I agree with everything you say. Your explanation about pardoning Libby makes sense. And you're right--if that's what Bush is expecting, it is stupid.
I'm fed up with Bush too. I would vote for him again--today--if he ran against Gore, Clinton, Kerry--any of the Democrats--but if his refusal to close the Border and halt Illegal Immigration leads to serious catastrophe, I won't be able to say that.
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posted on
06/23/2007 4:25:21 AM PDT
by
Savage Beast
(If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
To: saganite
But why put him through all this? And where is that Bush loyalty?
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posted on
06/23/2007 4:26:48 AM PDT
by
Savage Beast
(If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
To: Pikachu_Dad
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posted on
06/23/2007 4:27:39 AM PDT
by
Savage Beast
(If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
To: jwpjr
Aren’t there similarities between Libby’s prosecution and the Duke lacrosse players’ prosecution? Could the outcomes be similar?
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posted on
06/23/2007 4:30:01 AM PDT
by
Savage Beast
(If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
To: vetsvette
From what I’ve seen of Chertoff he wins the Bush Freakshow Prize.
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posted on
06/23/2007 4:31:12 AM PDT
by
Savage Beast
(If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
To: jwpjr
If a person at that level and with that access to excellent legal services can be convicted in a case where no crime was committed in the first place and then be incarcerated before even his first level of appeal then what chance do you and I stand? Actually, if it was you or I, since we're not 'trophy scalps', we would not have even been indicted. FitzFong/Comfy had a personal vendetta against Libby.
To: sgtbono2002
“Everyone from the prosecutor,the Judge ,the Jury were under the shadow of the DNC who cooked up this scheme.”
A preview of the American legal system once the democrat party is entirely in control. Criminalization of political differences. Stalin is looking up through the flames and smiling at this.
To: Savage Beast
I suspect he will get pardoned but if Libby has excellent grounds for getting the verdict overturnd wouldn’t you rather that happen? Can you imagine what a slap in the face of Fitz and his persecution, I mean prosecution, that would be? A tremendous victory for the administration as well. If the pardon is issued before the appeal Bush will face the standard drubbing in the press and the aura of the conviction will always hang over Libby. I think it’s worth the wait.
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posted on
06/23/2007 4:46:01 AM PDT
by
saganite
(Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
To: saganite
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posted on
06/23/2007 6:02:20 AM PDT
by
Savage Beast
(If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
To: STARWISE
When the RNC calls me later today to ask for a donation (and they will) along with telling them to pass a message to GWB telling him NO AMNESTY, I am going to include PARDON LIBBY!
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posted on
06/23/2007 6:09:47 AM PDT
by
Ditter
To: STARWISE
Pardon Libby!
Then Nifong Fitzy!
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posted on
06/23/2007 6:17:58 AM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Why do liberals thrive on bad news for America?)
To: STARWISE
IMHO screw Libby and all the other crooks in DC
How about a pardon for the 2 cops in prison for shooting that Mexican illegal alien / drug smuggling turd
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posted on
06/23/2007 6:32:13 AM PDT
by
SERE_DOC
("People shouldn't fear the governments, governments should fear it's people!" "V")
To: AmericaUnited
Is there a mechanism that would permit him to be free pending appeal other than for the sentencing judge to agree, or to have his order to report stayed by a higher court?
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posted on
06/23/2007 9:31:19 PM PDT
by
jwpjr
(Sigh)
To: STARWISE
I'm not sure whose words you were quoting in your post (Fitz's?), but the argument about Mitchell's testimony requiring the jurors to make a series of "speculative inferences" is hooey. Fitz's own closing remarks were a series of speculative inferences that departed from the actual testimony and evidence.
Mitchell's testimony should have been allowed, not as proof that Plame's identity was widely known, but that the CLAIM had been made by an associate of Russert. And, yes, they should have admitted into evidence her later denial. While not conclusive, this touches on the credibility of Russert and Mitchell.
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posted on
06/25/2007 2:22:54 PM PDT
by
Steve_Seattle
("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
To: piasa
"Russert clearly remembered first reading about Mrs. Wilson in the Novak column. I said, Wow, look at this, this is really significant, this is big, he testified."
I'm convinced that Russert is wrong about this. Ari Fleischer and several reporters testified that the news about Plame was not initially considered particularly significant, an interesting sidelight, but immaterial to Wilson's basic claims.
Plame's role only became a big deal AFTER reporters and Wilson concocted the "outing" theory, and hence raised the possibility that a deliberate crime had been committed in revealing her identity.
So I think Russert is projecting a later realization back into his first reading of the Novak story. Based on what else we know of his memory, I think this is highly likely.
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posted on
06/25/2007 2:33:31 PM PDT
by
Steve_Seattle
("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
To: Steve_Seattle
My words are in caps and parentheses.
Damn right it should’ve been allowed .. it goes right to her boss, Russert’s testimony. To believe that Mitchell wouldn’t pass along this gossip to her boss is sheer lunacy. The jaws were locked of Russert, Mitchell and Gregory .. and a stealth conspiracy is what I suspect occurred. I despise them and Fitz AND Walton .. none of them have the professional integrity of a gnat.
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posted on
06/25/2007 3:02:48 PM PDT
by
STARWISE
(They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
To: STARWISE
I;m with you on this starwise. Furthermore, recall that Fat Dim Russert filed a false affidavit, with the knowledge of Fitzy, and Judge Walton was OK with that (he didn’t throw out the evidence...). Walton also allowed Fitzy to enter into evidence news papers articles that were found in a file of one of Libby’s aides for .....”state of mind evidence” but not for truth. So the judge allowed inference after inference after inference evidence from the prosecutor, but stated that the defendent could not question Mrs. Greenspan because her testimony would have led to inference, after inference after inference.
The double standard applyed by Judge Walton leaves us to only one conclusion — he was rooting for Fitzy and allowed Fitzy to go wild in the courtroom while hamstringing Team Libby.
The whole case was a disgrace, I hope the appeals court tell s LIbby you are free on bail, and then when the whole case is heard on appeal the apellets tell Libby......the verdict is overturned due to the outrageous behavior of the prosecutor and the lower court judge. Then, Fitzy gets frogmarched out of the court room straight to jail (HA! in my dreams).
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posted on
06/25/2007 3:11:02 PM PDT
by
Laverne
To: Laverne
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posted on
06/25/2007 6:26:06 PM PDT
by
STARWISE
(They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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