[ReignOfError]

3,500 dead American servicemen. That's the difference.

That's a difference in cost but it doesn't pertain to whether we won/lost.

When they aren't shooting at us any more, we've won. When they're still shooting, it's a work in progress and no one has won yet. It ain't rocket surgery.

[Dr. Frank fan]

When they aren't shooting at us any more, we've won. When they're still shooting, it's a work in progress and no one has won yet.

This is a dumb standard of victory according to which anyone can "prove we haven't won" at any time by picking up a gun and pointlessly firing in the general direction of a U.S. soldier. According to this standard of victory, we didn't defeat in Japan in 1945.

[G8 Diplomat]

It ain't rocket surgery.

You mean rocket science? The irony of that comment was amusing.