Live Thread: Senate Amnesty Debate (CRITICAL 2ND CLOTURE VOTE TODAY!) Woo hoo!! It's DEAD!!

The U.S. Senate with Free Republic Input | June 28, 2007 | truthkeeper

[truthkeeper]

Here we are again my friends, hopefully for the last debate thread on this particular monstrous legislation. Proceedings are supposed to begin at 9:30 a.m. EST, with the cloture vote being taken at 10:30 a.m.

On a personal note, you've all been wonderful in your passion, vigilance, and commitment to the principles on which our country was founded. If I have to be in a foxhole, I want to be in it with you guys.

[over3Owithabrain]

Sorta like Mary Jo waited and waited and waited and waited for help, and paid and paid and paid and paid with her life.

[Miss Didi]

Wonder if the “hiding in the shadows” masses will come out in protest today with their flags???

[Snoopers-868th]

I will post anything I find out.

[Mrs.Liberty]

Sweet (your ltr to Boxer). May I borrow?

[angelcindy]

They are all blaming talk radio....

but when Bush goes to diff countries and they protest he says “they are practing “democracy”

But here its talk radios fault that the people spoke out...

what a hypocrite!!

[nicmarlo]

ty!

[MplsSteve]

Apparently, there was an article in the Red Star that said that Bush personally lobbied Coleman very hard and promised to get Coleman’s sacntuary cities amendment put on Reid’s approved list. I’m alarmed if that’s all it took for Coleman to vote Yes on Tuesday.

I’m not entirely comfortable with Coleman these days. He has really achieved the status of “insider” these days. There are times when that’s beneficial but there are also times when he shouldn’t be so quick to negotiate and sell away his positions just so he can get an amendment considered.

Like I said, he’s won only a temporary reprieve from me. I will be watching what he does.

[The Blitherer]

Obviously, you don’t “want what’s best for America.”

No, it's not that. I'm really a racist.

;-)

[truthkeeper]

However, because of all the issues I think we all need to go solo. How about it, everyone chime in?

I'm with you, kid. Everybody, let's do our own thing. But we still need to do the info pings so we can find out exactly WHAT would be acceptable WHERE. I don't mind being the info go-between...I'll do the pinging.

[MplsSteve]

Seriously?

[anymouse]

In the Battle of Thermopylae of 480 BC, an alliance of Greek city-states fought the invading Persian Empire at the pass of Thermopylae in central Greece. Vastly outnumbered, the Greeks held back the Persians for three days in one of history's most famous last stands. A small force led by King Leonidas of Sparta blocked the only road through which the massive army of Xerxes I of Persia (Xerxes the Great) could pass. After three days of battle, a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks by revealing a mountain path that led behind the Greek lines. Dismissing the rest of the army, King Leonidas stayed behind with 300 Spartans and 700 Thespian volunteers. The Persians succeeded in taking the pass but sustained heavy losses, extremely disproportionate to those of the Greeks. The fierce resistance of the Spartan-led army offered Athens the invaluable time to prepare for a decisive naval battle that would come to determine the outcome of the war. The subsequent Greek victory at the Battle of Salamis left much of the Persian Empire's navy destroyed and Xerxes was forced to retreat back to Asia, leaving his army in Greece under Mardonius, who was to meet the Greeks in battle one last time. The Spartans assembled at full strength and led a pan-Greek army that defeated the Persians decisively at the Battle of Plataea, ending the Greco-Persian War and with it the expansion of the Persian Empire into Europe.

The performance of the defenders at the battle of Thermopylae is often used as an example of the advantages of training, equipment, and good use of terrain to maximize an army's potential,[5] and has become a symbol of courage against overwhelming odds. Even more, both ancient and modern writers used the Battle of Thermopylae as an example of the superior power of a well trained army defending native soil.

There is also a large political significance of the Battle of Thermopylae, in that it was the first defining moment in which the disunified Greek city states first came together to form a significant alliance. It also possibly signified the beginning of the end for the Persian empire - drawing strength from the Battle, the Greeks began forming assaults against the Persian Empire, as a national body rather than small city states.

Dilios: He did not wish tribute, nor song, or monuments or poems of war and valor. His wish was simple. "Remember us" he said to me. That was his hope, should any free soul come across that place, in all the countless centuries yet to be. "May all our voices whisper to you from the ageless stones, "Go tell the Spartans, passerby, that here by Spartan law, we lie." And so my king died, and my brothers died; barely a year ago. Long I pondered my king's cryptic talk of victory, but time has proven him wise, for from free Greek to free Greek, the word was spread that bold Leonidas and his 300, so far from home, laid down their lives... not just for Sparta, but for all Greece and the promise this country holds. Now here on this ragged patch of earth called Plateaea, let his hordes face obliteration! Just there, the barbarians gather, sheer terror gripping tight their hearts with icy fingers, knowing full well what merciless horrors they suffered at the swords and spears of 300. Yet they stare now across the plain at 10,000 Spartans commanding 30,000 free Greeks! Ho! The enemy outnumber us a paltry three to one! Good odds for any Greek. This day we rescue a world from mysticism and tyranny, and usher in a future brighter than anything we could imagine. Give thanks, men, to Leonidas and the brave 300! To victory!

Battle of Salamis

The next morning (possibly September 28, but the exact date is unknown; the Hellenic Navy celebrates September 12 as Battle of Salamis Day), the Persians were exhausted from searching for the Greeks all night, but they sailed in to the straits anyway to attack the Greek fleet. When it became obvious to the Greeks that the battle was inevitable morale rose, the fleet enthusiastically took to sea and started singing the "paean"

Forward, sons of the Greeks,
Your children, your women, the altars of the gods of your fathers
And the graves of your forebears:
Now is the fight for everything.

Conservatives, we did it. We held OUR Congress accountable, against seemingly a unsurmountable invasion backed by those who attempt to control with wealth and greed. Let them know forever more, this is OUR country, OUR government. The only power they have is what we lend them. And today we showed that WE are THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, where freedom exists because we are willing to fight for it.

[HonestConservative]

Your looking for documentation of today’s vote?

Coleman voted against it today. I heard it, I saw it and see it now on cspam listed as a no vote.

Very sure he voted for cloture. If you want to spend the time to check that, go ahead.

A vote for cloture was a vote for it in this case.

[Cedric]

The article refers to those who changed their votes from the WAY THEY VOTED TUESDAY! {the first cloture vote}

[golas1964]

SWIMMER ALERT...Rush is paying sound bites again. “And you wait and you wait and you wait and you pay and you pay and you pay...”

There's a song parody in that quote methinks, to the tune of 'Over And Over' by The Dave Clark Five.

[JeffAtlanta]

I see that the GOP has some libs in it. I do not see wholesale both parties being the same except in the abstract.

Some libs? The entire GOP leadership is liberal, including Bush, Lott and McCain.

The only difference between the RNC and the DNC at this point is that the RNC members are christian-socialists while the DNC is made up of secular-communists.

[mewzilla]

They are all blaming talk radio....

That's right, guys. Go ahead and shoot the messenger. Pity all the nation's enemies aren't as dang dumb as this lot...

[Greg F]

Bush would be more shaken if he got in a room with 100 of his average voters from last election and actually asked them how they feel about his Presidency.

[nyconse]

I live in Georgia. I know exactly what you mean. I love these people who have not dealt with this problem being all knowing -’at least something would be done’. yeah sure, they would all apply for food stamps and Peachcare. Georgia will be bankrupt eventually if this nonsense doesn’t end.

[prairiebreeze]

It’s undoubtedly too much to ask that two conservatives are elected. See tagline if you didn’t notice it before.

Both being from the south on the same ticket might not work to an advantage though, sorry to say.

(Personally, I love conservative southern gentlemen.)

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Congratulations (at least I hope they will give up now).

Thanks for being on our side.