Posted on 07/01/2007 4:42:27 AM PDT by Kaslin
Naw, I expect he’ll just turn up dead in a hotel room one day and that will be the end of him. Bless his heart.
Look, Homo Sapiens may have been around longer than 5750 years, but doesn’t it strike you as significant that that is about the earliest that records of civilization can be found?
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LOL! They know that, but God hasn’t dumped them out of bed on their kiesters lately. I, however, have been known to appear in wrath and sing the National Anthem in their ears :-).
“Juwdahism.” I’m sure that’s a typso, but I can’t figure out quite where it goes.
OK, I’ll bite
I am an ignorant fundy creationist - with a degree in biology, a graduate degree, and 3 years of post grad training. You can pick another argument, but I guess your ignorance slur doesn’t hold.
it may be possible that it is a parable or metaphor.
However, genesis shows breathtaking scientific accuracy. How did Moses (who wrote genesis) know that there was light in the universe before the sun, moon and stars? It took modern science until the late 20th century with the COBE experiments to prove this.
The medical advice in the Bible is thousands of years ahead of what was known at the time. If the europeans in the middle ages had followed biblical principles, the black death would not have killed a fraction of the numbers it did,.
Be very careful about limiting God, and calling the Bible parable, hyperbole or pretty stories. Usually in the Bible where parables or metaphor are being used, the text pretty clearly indicates this.
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The oldest currently inhabited city in the world is Jericho, first established about 9000 BCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_continuously_inhabited_cities). The cities developed around agriculture (wheat and maize). Before agriculture, homo sapiens were hunter-gathers.
But the Episcopal Cathedral here is a cesspool of heretical lunacy. The bookstore (and the music) is just about the only worthwhile thing on THAT particular 6 acres of land (the building is awful, the theology is worse.)
Padre35 - Why are you twisting things to make your argument? China is communist or buddhist? Cambodia is communist or buddhist? Was it the communist who killed the people or the buddhist? Was it the commie atheist who did the killing or the commie buddhist? I do not understand. BTW: Communism is not a religion and Atheism is not a religion.
Hitler and the people of Deutschland are Christians. Hitler’s German Worker’s Party program states: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.”
Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich said “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.”
Clearly Hitler was a Christian. Why do you not accept the truth? Why do you twist the facts? Denial is not a river in Eygpt.
IMHO - I beleive it is pursuit of power and self-righteous that kill people.
And Hitler said “The nordic gods will awake from a thousand year slumber and shake the dust from their eyes” Hitler was a big fan of Wagner and his “Nordic operas”.
Hmm Hitler the Christian?
“All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that’s why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52) “
Not quite. Hitler used Christianity to gain power then he saw the Church as a threat to his state power, no more no less.
“...China is communist or buddhist...”
Really? So China isn’t a buddhist nation suffering under communism? Tsk tsk, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts, the facts are Atheism has put more people in cemeteries then any other philosophy known to man, with very little in return for the good of all of mankind.
Fascinating point of view. What about those homo sapiens fossils found dating 30,000 years ago? 100,000 years ago? If they were hunter/gather’s does that mean they had no civilization? What are the parameters for defining ‘civilization’.
Then I am to assume, from your reasoning, that unless they were civilized they did not exist by your definition. Thus, they were suddenly created 5750 years ago because they became civilized?
This doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Too many gaps in logic and it has nothing to do with faith. My faith is as solid as a rock.
You must never have met any ignorant ‘educated’ persons. You gotta be kidding me...look at the democrats.
Your statement show that you have bought into a false stereotype of creationists. Most creationist’s are not ignorant at all - they understand the arguments for evolution but simply find them unpersuasive. For example, My dad grew up as an evolutionist and went to a secular state university and graduated with dual degrees in Electrical Engineering and Agriculture. Shortly after graduation, he rejected evolution because he realized that it could not explain the complexity of the coded information contained in the human DNA.
DNA is a code not unlike binary computer code and as an electrical engineer my dad did a lot of computer programing. He came to the realization that the DNA coding for a simple protein could not have been generated by chance any more easily than a fairly simple computer program. Dad ran the statistical math and found that even if he split the mass of the earth into mutating organisms, he would be lucky to create one simple protein by chance in the entire supposed evolutionary age of the earth. Since that time, dad has continued to read lots of information about the Creation versus Evolution debate. Everytime he hears about important new evidence that has come out out, he studies it carefully. However, this has only convinced him even more that evolution cannot explain the complexity of life. So, when people refer to Creationists as ignorant, I think of my dad and recognize this this ridiculous name calling for what it is: A copout to avoid dealing with the arguments that have been raised.
Hey...I agree with your dad. I just don’t agree that homo sapiens was created a mere 6000 years ago. I think Intelligent Design is sound. The Discovery Institute does try to distance itself from the “Creationists”.
4)39 percent of non-Evangelical Protestants and 41 percent of Catholics agree with that view (#3)
Yikes..
I guess this explains why it is so easy for politicians and hustlers to con people into believing global warming hysterics. Some will believe anything.
Anyone who goes on “polls” to judge science should either go back to school or just not give their opinion on a subject they know little about. There is a good reason why I don’t comment on “the rapture” or other mythology that close friends of mine believe in.
I think the poll was not a judgement on science. I rather think it was a query to find out what people ‘believe’.
Quite frankly, the poll knocked my socks off. I had no idea that many people thought that man was ‘created’ less than 10,000 years ago. The poll proves nothing about science but makes an astounding statement about the assumptions of those polled.
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