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To: Fishtalk
Wow, you've certainly changed your tune. First it was "mothers just don't do that" and "real mothers" don't, just druggies do. Now it's "The point being that I simply do not believe that large numbers of newborn infants are suddenly dying, only in certain zip codes mind you...is because they are simply sleeping with their mothers" and "I daresay that very, very few babies are killed by the simple act of sleeping with their mother."

Well, which is it? No babies are killed by good mothers through overlaying or that it is infrequent? Unlike your original statement (which was quite absolute), I never said that either the study was valid or that 50% of children would die from sleeping with mothers. I simply pointed out that your absolute statement was not borne out historically or through common sense. Which it isn't. Even the most rabid pro-cosleeping websites will tell you that there is a danger of overlaying (most even recommend not sleeping with your child if you are overly tired that night... surely the sign of an abuser or druggie!</s>). Take a close look at who made absolute and non-commonsensical statements in their post... especially statements based on what they want to believe rather than what they have investigated (I have no dog in this hunt, I've never even known a mother who has lost her infant... unlike others who might want to justify their behavior by anecdote). Oh, and please keep arguing with the idea that affluence and separate sleeping has had no effect on child mortality... even cosleeping professionals don't attack that (they tend to promote the emotional and developmental benefits).

Sleep with your baby however you want. But when you make absolute statements denigrating an entire class of people with nothing more than your own opinion to back you up... expect to get stomped on...

34 posted on 07/05/2007 6:11:09 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Oh, and please keep arguing with the idea that affluence and separate sleeping has had no effect on child mortality... even cosleeping professionals don't attack that (they tend to promote the emotional and developmental benefits).

Oh please.

Statistics please.

I think I'm right. You don't. You like making a big deal out of nothing. Those babies are NOT dying because their wonderful loving mothers are sleeping with them.

Believe what you want.

I shall believe what I want. I've stated my piece, you've stated yours (with no statistics, just words that hey, I can type words too). I shall move on. Talk to yourself.

39 posted on 07/05/2007 6:36:41 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
"But when you make absolute statements denigrating an entire class of people...."

I don't think Fishtalk denigrated an entire class of people unless you consider substance abusers to a class of people.

42 posted on 07/05/2007 6:43:32 AM PDT by Irene Adler (')
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