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Did Giuliani really bust N.Y.C. crime - or was it science?
The Concord Monitor ^ | July 9, 2007 | SHANKAR VEDANTAM

Posted on 07/09/2007 1:32:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t care for Rudy, but this story is totally corny.

There may be a connection with lead to criminal behavior in some instances, but trying to tie this decrease to lead reduction instead of Rudy, shows it is purely political.


61 posted on 07/10/2007 6:48:25 AM PDT by dforest (Roger Hernand still steenks...oops, did I forget the EZ?)
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To: Clam Digger

Now you are lying your ass off.

Giuliani was one of the best mayors this city ever had. He was directly responsible for the eladership responsible for incredible reductions in crime.


62 posted on 07/10/2007 6:48:58 AM PDT by finnman69 (May Paris Hilton's plane crash into Britney Spears house while Lindsey Lohan is over doing coke)
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To: finnman69

Nope, I am not being a liar. Giuliani did not get the ball rolling. Giuliani hacks who can’t read the statistics and use them inmproperly, without relative comparisons are the liars.

Fools blinded by ignorance is the best way to describe those that support that POS who sat in the mayors seat, stealing honest citizens constitutional rights while giving them to illegals and gays. Sickening anyone who calls them a conservative could support that POS scumbag.


63 posted on 07/10/2007 7:05:09 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

violence is proably directly related to many things, for example, I’ll bet the decline in violence during Rudy’s years was associated with more people gaining weight.


64 posted on 07/10/2007 7:08:58 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: wysiwyg

LOL!


65 posted on 07/10/2007 7:10:26 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: finnman69
Giuliani saved NY he rescued it from the dark days of David Dinkins. I have to give him credit for that.
66 posted on 07/10/2007 7:14:42 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: angcat

Look at the crime stats and you’ll see that crime went down under dinkins, before giuliani became mayor. Nice try, though.


67 posted on 07/10/2007 7:15:56 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Clam Digger
The big 50% drops in crime happened after Giuliani took office. Look at your own stats.

Giuliani took office in 1994. there were 2016 murders that year. Murder peaked in 1990 with 2605, in 1993 there were 2,420. that’s a prety minor drop and obviously a huge problem if over 2000 people are being killed each year.

By 1998 that number was down to 924. Now that is a major reduction. Across the board those numbers continued to drop in decreases. by 2000, the numbers were still dropping even as other cities were seeing an increase in crime again.

Dinkins did nothing to reduce crime, in fact his lackadaisical attitude on policing led to a general feeling that the entire city was rotting for the core. The police hated Dinkins. Google Crown Height riots, thats how dinkins handles crime.

Anyone who makes the claim Dinkins helped reduce crime in the city is smoking crack.

68 posted on 07/10/2007 7:36:57 AM PDT by finnman69 (May Paris Hilton's plane crash into Britney Spears house while Lindsey Lohan is over doing coke)
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To: finnman69
Dinkins did nothing to reduce crime,

Are you ignorant, or just a liar. Look at the stats. I don't like Dinkins, he was probably NYC's nadir, and think Rudy did a hell of a lot better job than anyone previous, but I won't use stats to lie like you are doing.

69 posted on 07/10/2007 7:40:33 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Canedawg

“Bratton and Giuliani instituted harsh measures against quality-of-life offenses, based on the “broken windows” theory of addressing minor offenses to head off more serious crimes.”

Correct. This long-winded article detracts from the truth of what was happening on the streets: giving the police authority to deal with lawbreakers, and re-programming people to comply with the tenets of law and order.


John Lott’s excellent new book “Freedomnomics” pretty much dispelled the attractive but unsupportable “broken window theory” myth.


70 posted on 07/10/2007 7:44:49 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: Clam Digger

LOL

Make like you name and stick you head in the sand.


71 posted on 07/10/2007 8:43:46 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: finnman69
I think Al Sharpton is on the thread. Can you imagine anyone trying to make an argument that David Dinkins was a good Mayor. It is easy to be delusional especially if you did not live in the city during the horrific Dinkins years.
72 posted on 07/10/2007 8:45:30 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: angcat

LOL. I take it you can’t handle the truth? Clues for sale upthread, look at the rime stats I posted earlier.


73 posted on 07/10/2007 8:47:16 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: angcat

You aren’t very smart, are you? That must really suck to be either so delusional or ignorant to refuse to accept fact.


74 posted on 07/10/2007 8:48:16 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: angcat

The stats posted above by the naysayer show Giuliani was in charge during a 50% reduction in the murder rate. Not 5%, not 10%, but a 50% reduction.

The Rudy haters are as delusional as the moonbats are with their own version of BDS. They have Rudy Derangement Syndrome.


75 posted on 07/10/2007 9:34:53 AM PDT by finnman69 (May Paris Hilton's plane crash into Britney Spears house while Lindsey Lohan is over doing coke)
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To: Clam Digger

Oh Clam I’m sure you are the only smart one around. You are a jerk.


76 posted on 07/10/2007 10:21:17 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: angcat

LOL, no, most FReepers appear to be intelligent, as they nearly monolithically avoid the homo-loving Mr. Abortion gun grabber pro-illegal scumball from NYC.

You may think I am a jerk, but coming from someone of your mental capacity, that’s not much of an insult.

Here’s something you desparately need: http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/ That may help you improve your severely dreadful reading comprehension skills.


77 posted on 07/10/2007 10:25:10 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

One thing that really really bothers me about Rudy, that I only suspect but none the less it’s a feeling I can’t shake is that I believe his pro stand on abortion was a stand of convience==to get elected.


78 posted on 07/10/2007 3:43:05 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Beelzebubba

John R. Lott offered a rebuttal in his book, Freedomnomics, on why crime fell in the 90’s. Lott’s explanations include the death penalty, better law enforcement, the right to bear arms. This book is a fast read and exceptionally well written. . .

The death penalty? The right to bear arms?
I dont think so.

Try giving the police in the hood the authority to make arrests of criminals, and keeping them in jail. Rudy reversed the Dinkins policies of feminizing the NYPD and catering to the lawbreakers.


79 posted on 07/10/2007 3:55:48 PM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lack of pirates causes global warming!


80 posted on 07/10/2007 3:58:37 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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