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To: ishabibble

I remember the Dynaflow transmissions Buicks had. You started out in high [direct drive] and never felt any shifting as you got to highway speed.

And my 1965 Riviera, which got 9 mpg in town and 13 on the highway.


37 posted on 07/10/2007 4:27:38 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
My brother’s first car was a ‘65 Riviera:))

Then he bought a gorgeous Toronado...midnight blue. I used to see the mechanic driving it around all the time!

39 posted on 07/10/2007 4:36:32 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: gcruse
I remember the Dynaflow transmissions Buicks had. You started out in high [direct drive] and never felt any shifting as you got to highway speed.

Actually, you started out in "low"-- the engine speed was what was high.

The classic Dynaflow was pure fluid drive; as you say, no gears. I was fascinated by a clear plastic scale model at our Buick dealers's. It sat on a little wood base and you could crank it to watch it operate. (Dad became a Buick Man in '51 and never looked back.)

Problem with Dynaflow was efficency; i.e., gas mileage. In the 60's, GM standardized on the Turbo-Hydramatic, originally an Oldsmobile design, so Buick switched to that.

Being a more traditional design, the Hydramatic had a multiple-ratio gear train (3 or 4 speeds) driven by a "torque converter," a fluid turbine that evened out the torque discontinuities at startup and during gear changes.

In contrast, the Dynaflow was just a big torque converter with no variable gearing downstream. Late designs had variable pitch blades in the turbine.

The torque converter has the interesting virtue of increasing its effective step-down ratio when the torque load on it increases, and it does this with no meshing parts; just the impeller, the turbine, and the fluid. This makes it a good complement to the hard gear ratios downstream in the main body of the transmission. And, of course, it tolerates being stalled; i.e., having the engine idle while you are stopped but still in gear. In essence, it is the equivalent of the clutch in a manual transmission.

Now the torque converter is lossy, for the same reason that the old Dynaflow was: losses in the fluid flow. Modern automatic transmissions "lock up" the torque converter during the long periods when you're just cruising along at a constant speed, making little torque demand on the engine.

48 posted on 07/10/2007 7:17:09 PM PDT by Erasmus (My simplifying explanation had the disconcerting side effect of making the subject incomprehensible.)
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