Study: Most Priest Abuse Homosexual--Is Catholicism or Homosexuality to Blame? (L.A. Settlement)

United States Conference of Catholic Bishops ^

[BigJohn44]

The Archdiocese of Los Angeles has agreed to pay over $600 million to settle claims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests in that diocese. This is the latest in a string of multi-million dollar payouts by Catholic diocese throughout the country.

Perhaps it is time to take another look at the most comprehensive study of Catholic priest sexual abuse ever conducted. In 2002, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned a national study of sexual abuse by Catholic priests.

The study, conducted by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, found that nationwide, approximately 4400 Catholic priests were credibly accused of sexual abuse incidents occurring between 1950 and 2002, and that 81 percent of their victims were male. Some 78 percent of the males allegedly abused were adolescent males between the ages of 11 and 17.

Pertinent excerpts of the executive summary of the John Jay study are quoted below. See http://www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/exec.pdf

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The information contained in this report is based upon surveys provided by 195 dioceses, representing 98% all diocesan priests in the United States, and 140 religious communities, representing approximately 60% of religious communities and 80% of all religious priests.

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The mandate for the study was to: 1. Examine the number and nature of allegations of sexual abuse of minors under the age of 18 by Catholic priests between 1950 and 2002.

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The total number of priests with allegations of abuse in our survey is 4,392.

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The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17 . . . . Overall, 81% of victims were male . . . .

[Secret Agent Man]

I believe you can adopt the ACLU approach to this and start suing each and every gay advocacy groups in existence. Start with Human Rights Campaign, GLAAD, GLSEN, NGLTF, etc. They’re all in the book. /sarc

[Secret Agent Man]

Yup, friends with guys who want to do b!tchy talk and fashion and never want to sleep with them.

[saradippity]

I don't mean to be cavalier in my posts;however,five years ago when this was big news,I did research and documented it. I was furious with the infiltrated bishops and the protection of homosexuals and never hesitated in naming names and calling for their heads. I was very active on these threads on the subject for about four years. I am still not satisfied that all of the weak sisters and their homosexual brother bishops have been subject to the punishment and reprobation they deserve.

I am sorry but I no longer have the data to refer you to all of the information that I wrote about back then,nonetheless,it is true. Maybe you were not around then but when I found myself explaining to the same people the same thing and they kept bringing it up thread after thread,eventually I realized that the truth was not something that was going to effect those who have an investment in believing what they perceive as truth whether it is or not. If you do not want to believe it,it is at your peril as well as all Christians.

I tried to differentiate between the mainline churches,I said I was not sure of what happened there. On the other hand,I know that independent pastors/preachers and ministers had charges that were not publicized or reported although the membership may have removed most of them,they did not report it to the police and many of the abusers set up their own little churches in locations far from the site of the original indiscretions.

In the past year or so in Phoenix there have been several teachers that had problems with sexual behavior that were teaching for years after the incident,one was only found after he came back to the district after having taught elsewhere for ten years and came back and applied in another district in the metropolitan area.

I definitely will not go through the gospels to prove my points about wives and marriages,I have done it so many times with non Catholics,who incidentally never could point to any place in the four gospels that demonstrated that any of the Apostles were married with the possible exception of Peter. To cite the four gospels that tell the same story about Peter's mother in law only means that there is one story told four times and I believe that it could very well refer to a person who was the mother of Peter's deceased spouse. After all when she was cured she immediately got up from her sick bed and started serving the men. If Peter's wife was alive she certainly wouldn't have let her mom get off her death bed and start waiting on the men,or would she?

I don't usually go any further since the Gospels and Jesus,came before Paul and the rest of the New Testament. I also understand that it is difficult to accept and so don't put forth the effort when I sense there is an aversion to the information.

For the record,when Paul talks about wives he uses the same word that Christ used when talking to his mother at the wedding at Cana. So was Jesus calling Mary "wife"? I don't think so.

[padre35]

So telling the truth is a slur?

Hardly, i like the Catholic Church BTW, a pity this happens now when moral leadership is needed in the world now moe then ever.

[Scotswife]

You didn’t read carefully.

It has been pretty well established that teenage boys who have been molested, or who experiment with homosexuality are more likely to go on to leading a homosexual lifestyle.

There even was a case in NYC where a gay man sued his abuser for “making” him gay by abusing him as a teen.

So no...all male seminaries do not “cause” homosexuality.
But when boys are molested at these places - and when homosexual experimentation is rampant - then that certainly doesn’t help matters.

Yes...the family situation can be a factor - but there are many different factors that may act together.

[Polybius]

To be honest, you are splitting hairs by using psycholical definitions rather than common sense definitions.

You have missed the point of my Post 38.

Words, especially words in the medical literature, have meaning. The careless use of the term "pedophilia" allows gays who want to be allowed to be Scoutmasters in the Boy Scouts to say:

"Medical studies show NO correlation between pedophelia and homosexuality."

Every time the Boy Scout issue comes up, that is one of the gay lobby talking points.

That is a true statement and the "We Want Gay Scoutmasters" lobby then shows legitimate medical studies from the respected medical literature that say exactly that.

Many in the American public then think, "Well, if medical studies show that, then it is O.K. for gays to be Scoutmasters of a troop full of 13-17 year old Boy Scouts."

People who have sex with children are pedophiles.

That, right there, is the statement that hands the homosexual lobby their ammunition.

You might like to call all sexual relations with children under 18 "pedophelia" but that is NOT what the word means. As Abe Lincoln once said:

"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."

Pedophilia means being sexually attracted strongly or even exclusively to prepubescent or early pubertal children.

However, as the posted article about gay priests states , "Some 78 percent of the males allegedly abused were adolescent males between the ages of 11 and 17."

THAT is pederasty, the sexual attraction by adults to ADOLESCENT males.

The careless use of the medical term "pedophelia" hands the gay lobby one of their most effective talking points.

"Medical studies show NO correlation between pedophelia and homosexuality."

TRANSLATION: "Medical studies show NO correlation between sexual attraction to prepubescent boys and homosexuality. ........... We are attracted to adolescent boys. Thanks for creating the confusion and handing us this VERY effective and sneaky talking pint."

[Scotswife]

you are correct...the terms “pederast” or “ephebophile” better describe the problem.

True pedophiles prey upon prepubescent children.

[BigJohn44]

See also

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/494913683.html

[tuesday afternoon]

Those who insist that gays should be allowed to be Scoutmasters in the Boy Scouts of America always like to say that studies show that there is no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia.

I read a study that said that 33% of child sexual abuse is commited by homosexuals.

[ken21]

if the catholic church allowed married priests,

then they’d have no more perps than the rest of society.

[BigJohn44]

I read a study that said that 33% of child sexual abuse is commited by homosexuals.

If the study cited in the original post is anywhere near accurate, 80 percent--yes, eight-zero percent--of the molestation occurring in the Catholic church between 1950 and 2002 was committed by HOMOSEXUAL MEN whose fraudulent representations resulted in their ordination into the priesthood Again, the HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY, and not the CATHOLIC CHURCH, has primarily caused the damage here. When will that organized community fess up???? When will it pay up???

[BigJohn44]

if the catholic church allowed married priests, then they’d have no more perps than the rest of society.

That assertion has been debunked numerous times.

So I guess you would defend the gay men that have committed these crimes?

[ken21]

you’re saying that

having married priests

would not bring

normalcy to the catholic church?

[BigJohn44]

Um, yes. There is normalcy in the Catholic church. Are you suggesting that gay is normal?

[Yardstick]

I agree with you that the association with Gramsci is dubious, but other than that do you know if the list is legit? It pops up often around here but I don’t trust it for some reason. It’s like it’s too good to be true or something. Actually it reminds me of the “Is America Becoming Fascist?” list that makes the rounds on lefty websites, where some professor has supposedly done a study of the characteristics of fascism and they all conveniently mirror positions taken by the modern Republican party.

[ken21]

if they allowed married priests

the catholic church would be normal.

[daniel1212]

Don’t worry, they are coming after Protestants next, in fact i recently read in the Boston Globe(alist) about uncovering such problems in Protestant churches (the Globe takes special delight in denigrating evangelicals.)

But the proportion is not the same, and as i recall among Protestant they were more heterosexual problems. We are in a culture in which sensuality is the most evident prevalent sin, and we must either become like the culture of change it. And if you believe a dead gospel, how much more vulnerable you are to it’s pervasive, persuasive perversities.

Besides her homosexual priests however, what stood out was Rome’s typical recalcitrance when caught. This comes from her taking on the form of the autocratic Roman empire in which she found herself, and in accordance with her historic doctrines, she is thus answerable to no one. How dare the State prosecute her! And as a result primarily of her iniquity, law enforcement now has gone rather boldly where they feared to go before, standing in the holy place where they ought not need to be!

In like autocratic presumption, Rome makes the Bible a second place authority, and equal to the chaff of tradition out which it was separated from (as the wheat), with her Teaching Magisterium being supreme. By which she displays contempt for the Bible in mandating a celibate priesthood (except for Orthodox converts). For while a foremost requirement for Bishops/Elders/Pastors (same office) is that they be “the husband of one wife” (1Tim. 2:1, 2; Titus 1:5-7), as were Peter and all the other apostles except Paul(1Cor. 9:5); And while 1Cor. 7:7 makes it clear the celibacy is a gift, Rome assumes all clergy must have this gift, and unScripturally mandates a celibate priesthood. One can debate if singles are forbidden to be clergy, but not whether married men are - even if it is “only” a church law.

But of course, Rome’s separate class of sacerdotal priests itself is unScriptural, as all believers are priests, penned Peter (1Pet. 2:5), and overseers are what are ordained under the New Covenant, not a sacrificing priesthood after the Old.

And finally, in accordance with her self-exaltation, Rome preaches a dead gospel, in which she fosters faith in her presumed powers and one’s own merits gained thereby for salvation, whereby many are damned, rather than repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His sinless blood (Acts 20:21; Rm. 3:25), whereby one is washed, sanctified and justified (Rm. 3:9-5:1: 1Cor. 6:11). Praise ye the LORD!