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We are gouging oil companies – and ourselves
Ayn Rand Institute via High Springs Herald ^ | July 23, 2007 | David Holcberg

Posted on 07/23/2007 6:17:52 AM PDT by Daffynition

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To: TommyDale
Make up a...

It's your point you are trying to make, so the burden of proof is upon you. You want a chart, you go make one. Meanwhile, I will stand in support of big business over governmental control, as I am a conservative capitalist. They make money, that's what they are supposed to do, and as an investor, i'm damn glad they do.

21 posted on 07/23/2007 7:08:02 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: TommyDale
See #18.

See #21.

22 posted on 07/23/2007 7:08:35 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Clam Digger

I’m not trying to make a point. I have done that, and it clearly shows that it takes longer for prices to drop than to rise. I am also in favor of free enterprise over government, but that doesn’t make it right.


23 posted on 07/23/2007 7:11:01 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Daffynition
What I want to know is why gasoline prices are always reported with the tax included in the price? It would be much more informative to see the true price of the gasoline, then show the taxes added onto that.
24 posted on 07/23/2007 7:11:29 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: TommyDale

Most refineries are huge Brobdignagian complexes that incorporate machinery that spans up to 100+ years. It’s a wonder they aren’t all off line at once a dozen times a year. The one that a former coworker of mine is at now still has areas with valves embossed with swastikas on them, they were sold by the Germans to the plant before WWII...


25 posted on 07/23/2007 7:11:37 AM PDT by Axenolith (The Market is a harsh mistress...)
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To: TommyDale

Making a far less than average profit margin is obscene? Besides Walmart, can you name any other businessthat runs on such miniscule margins? So, because they are big (and HAVE to be by nature) they should be penalized?

I don’t get your point. Anti-capitalism is good? Nah. Hundreds of independant businesses are in collusion (and have never been caught)? Nah. I don’t know what that point is you are trying to make. I dout it really matteres anyway, because it has to be anti-capitalist, or showing a profound lack of understanding in market economies.


26 posted on 07/23/2007 7:14:40 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Daffynition

My dad is a Vice President and Chief Economist for Tesoro, a refining company based in San Antonio. He’s been doing a lot of PR stuff lately trying to explain to everyone why prices are so high. Here is a link to an interview he did for E&E Daily. I think it will answer some of your questions. I just wish more people would realize what he’s saying.

http://www.eenews.net/tv/video_guide/643


27 posted on 07/23/2007 7:24:46 AM PDT by nightingale2887 (I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph.)
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To: gunnedah

You are so right but Congress has the ability and bully pulpit to make it look as though they are looking out for us when in effect they are robbing us blind with taxes. Their insatiable appetite to tax is only exceeded by American ignorance.

They don't just rob us and that's the end of it.. They use that money to further abuse us. It's like they have a key to your house. Once they've scoped out your lifestyle they make duplicate keys and pass them out to several alphabet agencies headed by their fraudster cronies.

The slave master takes citizens money so he can flog them evermore. Those tax dollars are used for things like passing environmental laws that limit or prohibit full use of private property. The government doesn't compensate the property owner  by paying fair market value for their loss.

The FDA uses tax dollars to run miles of red tape so that a drug that has for years been successfully used in Europe is stalled for several years in the FDA's approval process. When approval is finally announced at a press conference the FDA proudly states that the "new" drug will save fourteen thousand American lives a year. Doesn't that mean that the FDA killed fourteen thousand people a year?

And on and on it goes...

28 posted on 07/23/2007 7:25:11 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Clam Digger
I will stand in support of big business over governmental control, as I am a conservative capitalist.

Corporate conglomerates and Monopolies don't answer to the people, without government regulation corruption would be just as common here as it is in 3rd world countries.

29 posted on 07/23/2007 7:27:07 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Zon
...the FDA proudly states that the "new" drug will save fourteen thousand American lives a year.

The FDA APPROVES these drugs, but when the drug is found to be unsafe they blame it on the drug companies.

Typical government, never accepting responsibility for the damage it does.

30 posted on 07/23/2007 7:30:54 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Realism

I can list a dozen oil companies that compete against each other for your gas dollar. How does that meet your description of “Corporate conglomerates and Monopolies don’t answer to the people”?


31 posted on 07/23/2007 7:32:34 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: TommyDale
I’m not trying to make a point. I have done that, and it clearly shows that it takes longer for prices to drop than to rise

As it does for every commodity. Your lack of understanding of the conomics of the industry doesn't infer a conspiracy.
32 posted on 07/23/2007 7:33:04 AM PDT by chrisser
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To: Clam Digger
I can list a dozen oil companies that compete against each other for your gas dollar.

I guess regulation is working, but the list continues to get smaller over time.

33 posted on 07/23/2007 7:45:53 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: chrisser

I wasn’t aware that it was a requirement to understand all the economics of an industry to hold an opinion. The general public doesn’t know and doesn’t care about the details. They want the prices lower.


34 posted on 07/23/2007 7:45:53 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Realism
I guess regulation is working, but the list continues to get smaller over time.

Which invites opportunity for a new small independant!

35 posted on 07/23/2007 7:47:20 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: TommyDale
I wasn’t aware that it was a requirement to understand all the economics of an industry to hold an opinion.

Yeah, without knowledge, you can have an uninformed opinion, but to discuss a subject intelligently, you should be able to back it up with knowledge and facts.

36 posted on 07/23/2007 7:48:42 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: TommyDale

When you can compare rising profits, to rising consumer cost, what more do you need to know?


37 posted on 07/23/2007 7:50:58 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Clam Digger

The fact is that it takes longer for prices to drop than to rise. That is what people see. That is where the perceived unfairness is to the consumer. As long as the consumer sees his gas prices rising, and the oil companies profits rising, he is not happy. Have a nice day.


38 posted on 07/23/2007 7:54:12 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: TommyDale
The fact is that it takes longer for prices to drop than to rise.

Yep, it happens. Do you know why? I didn't think so. Does it happen in any other indstry. Yeah, I thought so.

39 posted on 07/23/2007 7:56:12 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: TommyDale
Operating and maintaining a multi-billion dollar refinery is a little more complex than your front-yard sprinkler system.

If the government used Adam Smith's laissez-faire philosophy, we wouldn't be in this petroleum industry cluster-fcuk.

It is the government and the envir-whackos causing these problems. Not the "big evil oil companies."

IMOHO of course.

40 posted on 07/23/2007 7:57:54 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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