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Breaking: Bridge Collapse in Minneapolis
KSTP TV 5/ME | 8/1/07 | Me

Posted on 08/01/2007 4:28:27 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

Just turned on the news. 35W bridge collapsed in the Mississippi River. Cars, trucks, semis.....

Fires burning, tanker trucks, at least one school bus, more than ten cars......

Just now breaking.......


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 35w; breaking; bridge; bridgecollapse; bridges; btld; collapse; corrosion; engineering; infrastructure; jihad; minneapolis; mosques; mothman; prayerforminnesotans; rust; slownewsday; terroristattack; transportation; twincitiescell
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1,761 posted on 08/02/2007 4:07:15 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

“””Looks real?”””

It’s real - security camera video.


1,762 posted on 08/02/2007 4:07:53 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle
Did you see the Queen Mother of All Tidal Waves that brigde made when it hit the water?

Unreal!

1,763 posted on 08/02/2007 4:09:42 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Seems to originate from where the bridge connects to the bluff area.


1,764 posted on 08/02/2007 4:10:28 AM PDT by listenhillary (¿Qué parter DE "illegal" ousted no entente?)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

At first glance...looks like dust cloud.


1,765 posted on 08/02/2007 4:12:18 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

I thought that was dust. There would be a lot of dust if they were resurfacing the bridge.


1,766 posted on 08/02/2007 4:12:32 AM PDT by listenhillary (¿Qué parter DE "illegal" ousted no entente?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Every report so far, inlcuding eye witness accounts, says the only “construction work” being done on the bridge was resurfacing.

Snippets from local media:


New at 11:27 p.m.:

Road crews had been working on the 40-year-old bridge's deck, joints, guardrails and lights this week. "None of it would be related to the structure," said Bob McFarlin, assistant to Minnesota Transportation Commissioner Carol Molnau.


New at 11:05 p.m.:

State Senate Transportation Committee Chairman Steve Murphy said the condition of bridges in Minnesota generally has been a topic of concern, but he couldn't recall the Interstate 35W Mississippi River bridge coming up during those discussions.

"I know the work that many of the bridge inspectors do for the state of Minnesota, and we do really good work," said Murphy, DFL-Red Wing. "If they said that that bridge in 2006 was in good shape, I believe it was in good shape. What happened today, it's probably going to be weeks or months before we know."


New at 10:20 p.m.:

Gov. Tim Pawlenty said the bridge was inspected by the Minnesota Department of Transportation in 2005 and 2006 and that no structural problems were noted. "There were some minor things that needed attention," he said.

Mpls. Police Chief Tim Dolan: Do not believe it was an act of terrorism and they interviewing everyone who was near the bridge or on the bridge.

Pawlenty said investigations will continue and that in all likely hood it was structural failure

[The above gets the award for brazen coyness, particularly coming on the heels of the one below.]


New at 9:16 p.m.:

Pawlenty said no structural problems identified in bridge in 2004-2006 (from mndot inspection)


New at 9:05 p.m.:

"It sounded like a bomb and we ducked," said one man who works at a gas station near the collapse.


New at 8:42 p.m.:

Concrete work was being done on the bridge but nothing that would distrupt the structure, according to [civil engineer Richard] Stehly.


[This next one gets the Early Bird Award for prompt delivery of the rote party line.]

New at 7:57 p.m.:

Paul McCabe, a spokesman with the FBI in Minneapolis, said agents responded to the bridge and would conduct any necessary investigations.

"Although it is much too early to make any determination of the cause, we have no reason at this time to believe there is any nexus to terrorism," he said.
...
According to a structural engineer who spoke with WCCO-TV's Don Shelby, it doesn't appear to be a concrete failure but that the steel failed.

[The second 7:57 snippet above also gets an Early Bird Award, as well as a Meritorious Conduct Notation for coming up with a precise explanation while "The Experts" were claiming various contradictory causes, or -- in most cases -- a total *lack* of understanding of cause (other than of course it "Not Being Terrorism"(tm).]


The final 7:57 sub-snippet:

A maintenance project began about nine months ago repairing potholes and other concrete on the bridge. According to a spokesperson from the Mn-DOT, there was no work on the actual structure under the bridge.



1,767 posted on 08/02/2007 4:12:54 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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Bridge was rated ‘structurally deficient’ in 2005

http://www.startribune.com/10204/story/1338970.html

The highway bridge that collapsed into the Mississippi River on Wednesday was rated as “structurally deficient” two years ago and possibly in need of replacement.

By Dan Browning, Star Tribune

The highway bridge that collapsed into the Mississippi River on Wednesday was rated as “structurally deficient” two years ago and possibly in need of replacement.
That rating was contained in the U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Bridge Inventory database.

Aamodt said the department plans its bridge repairs using information from the Bridge Inventory database.

Many other bridges nationwide carry the same designation that the I-35W bridge received, Aamodt said.


1,768 posted on 08/02/2007 4:15:11 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

You have to wonder if any of those high rise apartment buildings have been compromised - that was one huge impact.

I have bridge-phobia especially any span over water! This is not helpful.


1,769 posted on 08/02/2007 4:16:12 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: listenhillary
Looking at it again, there is a lot of dust initially but it appears to combine with a huge water plume when the deck hits the water.
1,770 posted on 08/02/2007 4:18:06 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: John D

“””Different highway 35””

Right - but so many weird coincidences;)


1,771 posted on 08/02/2007 4:18:36 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy
Probably already asked several times but...

...are there laws in place that insulate the government from law suits if it is proven the bridge was structurally deficient?

1,773 posted on 08/02/2007 4:20:02 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: sodpoodle
I don’t like heights. I drove the Ambassador Bridge from Detroit to Windsor a while back.

Not fun....

1,774 posted on 08/02/2007 4:20:07 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Mwa: The instantaneous "we have no idea of the cause, but don't worry, there is no sign of terrorism" mantra has become so predictable that people inevitably crack jokes about it.

Yew: Not me... I crack jokes about the ones who think they know enough to crack jokes.


Now that's odd, since the butt of the jokes is the group who insists they know enough -- within minutes of an event -- to declare total ignorance of any actual cause, but ABSOLUTE confidence in a single factor that they proclaim to NOT be the cause. Funnier yet, since that "it's not" factor is something that the government has repeatedly warned us to be on the lookout for, telling us that it is a prime terrorist target.

But hey, don't take MY word for it. Just amble on over to your nearest major bridge with a camera and tripod, and see how long it takes for the squad cars to roll up.

1,775 posted on 08/02/2007 4:21:17 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: mainepatsfan

I just got an e-mail from a soldier I know in Afghanistan, asking me was I alright........

Wow.....


1,776 posted on 08/02/2007 4:22:29 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: sodpoodle

Ever gone over the Chesapeake Bay Bridge outside Annapolis Maryland? It’s almost 4 miles long! Not fun for many folks with phobias.


1,777 posted on 08/02/2007 4:22:44 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: sodpoodle
"I have bridge-phobia especially any span over water! This is not helpful."

You do realize that out of the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of bridges in this country that only a handful have ever failed like this?

You should be more afraid of getting struck by lightning. I'm not making fun of you, I'm just saying look at the odds.

1,778 posted on 08/02/2007 4:24:01 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: sodpoodle
I have bridge-phobia especially any span over water! This is not helpful.

I'm with you Sod! Can't stand bridges....especially over water. I white knuckle the steering wheel all the way across.

1,779 posted on 08/02/2007 4:27:09 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: DCPatriot
“...are there laws in place that insulate the government from law suits if it is proven the bridge was structurally deficient?”

Very hard to sue or even fire an individual government employee but cities are sued/settle millions every year.

Most cities are “self insured”, which means that the cities/government carries -no- insurance and the taxpayer pays when it is all over.

Milwaukee and Wisconsin has paid millions this year due to police beatings, police shootings and false convictions.

1,780 posted on 08/02/2007 4:28:38 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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