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Breaking: Bridge Collapse in Minneapolis
KSTP TV 5/ME | 8/1/07 | Me

Posted on 08/01/2007 4:28:27 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

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To: Spktyr
ROFL!

Sounds like a 1957 Plymouth in a movie....Christine!

2,201 posted on 08/02/2007 1:19:28 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo; BurbankKarl; All
Yahoo has an interactive of the bridge area Here

It's a Adobe Flash Player thingy. Hit 'Before and After Sideview', it has a diagram of area at bottom.

2,202 posted on 08/02/2007 1:20:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: NormsRevenge

The bridge inspection by MnDOT would have noted any significant casson erosion. The safety factors on these bridges would allow you to park trucks stacked 3 high on top of each other in bumper to bumper before you’d be at the limits. It’s the simultaneous and complete failure of both trusses that bother me. This thing should have twisted if 1 side went. It didn’t.


2,203 posted on 08/02/2007 1:23:53 PM PDT by FarRockaway (This despotic gerrymander a greater freedom than what once was?)
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To: FarRockaway

That’s what I would think as well.. Thanks re: the load limit.

also, They did have a heavy water flow scenario not so long ago. Just a thought.

I am sure they will be looking at every possibility as to any contributing factors for the collapse.


2,204 posted on 08/02/2007 1:34:43 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: P-Marlowe
I had some distant relatives die on that collapse.

Neil Cavuto just reported that there are celebrations in Iran and Syria over the news of the Minneapolis bridge collapse. What scum.

2,205 posted on 08/02/2007 1:42:47 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Holy cow. D*** those bastards.


2,206 posted on 08/02/2007 1:47:33 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I’m very sorry about your relatives......!


2,207 posted on 08/02/2007 1:55:20 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: jim_trent; Straight Vermonter
In this image, looking southwest from the adjacent Cedar Bridge, considering what's on top of what, what appears to be in good shape, (SW cantilever kingpost, green lines, blue arrows)), what appears to be crumpled, (SE cantilever kingpost, red line, red arrows), and what doesn't seem to be visible at all (lateral bracing and diagonals between the cantilevers, red lines), it's hard to ignore this as a critical area in the collapse progression.

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2,208 posted on 08/02/2007 1:58:05 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: NormsRevenge

YouTube has LIVE video from a nearby security camera, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osocGiofdvc

The whole center span goes down nearly flat, like an elevator. The approach span you can see, hangs in there for a few seconds after the center span splashes down, before it then buckles backwards toward the shoreline.


2,209 posted on 08/02/2007 2:02:00 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I am so sorry about your relatives!

Prayers for their loved ones!

So far, we have not heard that any of our relatives or friends were involved.

I feel very blessed right now.


2,210 posted on 08/02/2007 2:05:10 PM PDT by Shelayne (I will continue to pray for President Bush and my country, as I am commanded to do by my Lord.)
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To: jim_trent

If I were to guess, I bet it is a superstructure failure at a relatively secondary member. Cascade effect collapse starting at one end of the major span that once underway pulls everything else in other spans away from vertical support stability and whammy, house of cards.


2,211 posted on 08/02/2007 2:08:08 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Shelayne

Nothing at all, it’s just that the left blames everything on George Bush. So, I’m sure they will find a way to make it his fault. The local papers were focusing on how the dept of transportation reports on the condition of the bridge. They’ll probably say that the dept of transportation didn’t make the repairs sound urgent enough.


2,212 posted on 08/02/2007 2:10:46 PM PDT by Eva
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To: NormsRevenge; Lady Jag; LiveFreeOrDie2000
Hi guys...LTNS..
My DSL is down and I'm on VZ Broadband Wireless, which is only marginally better than dial-up.
The video they're showing on Fox doesn't quite show the end that went first.
Any other videos have a better angle?
2,213 posted on 08/02/2007 2:14:38 PM PDT by concretebob (I'm NOT pro-war, I'm ANTI - TERRORIST)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I’m so sorry to hear about your family members

May God be with you and heal your broken heart..


2,214 posted on 08/02/2007 2:16:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ClaireSolt

Claire, do you know if phone service is still down? My daughter’s mother-in-law lives in Minneapolis, and they haven’t been able to reach her. (It’s 2:15 p.m. here on the Left Coast, and my daughter is getting worried.)


2,215 posted on 08/02/2007 2:18:25 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: FarRockaway

What I want to know if why the video didn’t include the beginning of the event. That camera would likely have been on the whole time. Why on earth wouldn’t we get to see it start earlier? Even if it doesn’t show the actual section where it started, it seems odd that the released video begins after the event does. What are not supposed to see?

Also, if you notice at the very end of the collapse, there is a section across the river that was still standing after the rest went down. Then it collapsed as well, beginning with the part closer to the other shore. I’m not an engineer, but that seemed odd to me as well. Then you have several different witnesses describing a large “boom” just before it went down. Lastly, this happened in Minneapolis, home of the flying imans.
I guess I should put on my tin foil hat because this all seems kind of suspicious to me.


2,216 posted on 08/02/2007 2:20:11 PM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: concretebob; NormsRevenge; LiveFreeOrDie2000

There are others who know a lot more than I, except that I have heard repeatedly today that the section over water went first, the middle, not an end, as was reported yesterday.

Reporters agree with witnesses I’ve seen that say they saw the center fail first.


2,217 posted on 08/02/2007 2:21:38 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: concretebob

HAven’t seen any. Jeffers posted a still above.


2,218 posted on 08/02/2007 2:22:59 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Inspectorette

Praying that all is well for her!


2,219 posted on 08/02/2007 2:24:51 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: FarRockaway
The safety factors on these bridges would allow you to park trucks stacked 3 high on top of each other in bumper to bumper before you’d be at the limits.

When its brand new, yes. But over time, exposed to de-icing and nature, elements deteriorate, concrete has a half life of 20 years, less when exposed to the spray from traffic.
They were working on this bridge, had the two outside lanes open to traffic, and equipment parked in the inside lanes. It looks like the bridge seperated at an expansion joint.
My original comment last night about the bridge looking like it had dropped straight down was close.
Why did those supports fail? My guess right now would be construction operations.
Same thing almost happened to a bridge I was working on in 1998.

2,220 posted on 08/02/2007 2:26:24 PM PDT by concretebob (I'm NOT pro-war, I'm ANTI - TERRORIST)
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