Posted on 08/02/2007 7:05:34 AM PDT by Lennyq
I have also found that my son, who snores, displays many more ADD symptoms when he has a cold. I got a prescription nose spray from his pediatrician which has almost stopped the snoring, and he is much more attentive and teachable.
Sometimes sleep apnea can cause ADHD like symptoms in children.
‘They’ have been calling me nuts for years!
Well, maybe that’s a poor example. :-)
Oh certainly. But that's a far cry from saying that they don't exist.
I am quite critical of the absurd overdiagnosis of ADD and ADHD for kids simply being kids - and the obscene overprescription of ritalin or psychiatric medicines - but there are some that genuinely do have those problems. ...Kids that are very well behaved otherwise, with strict, attentive parents.
Actually, many educators ARE afraid of being sued. I still say most of this is discipline problems - which start in the home. Dr. Spock permeates both home and school.
The schools get obnoxious brats. They have legislated themselves out of allowing serious discipline, so are afraid even to literally hold a kid. They will be sued for “touching” the poor, poor child.
I think they turned to drugs mostly as an answer to this. They can’t touch the kid, or even dare tell the parent to get a grip on the kid, so they come up with the next solution - medicate!
This is just a partial theory. But my mother was a teacher - IN EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED, no less - and I know something about what went on in public school even 20 years ago when I was going and she was still head of ED.
I can’t see how that’s true. 1 size-fits-all seemed to work just fine for generations before the hippies mucked it all up. Heck, it used to be even children of wildly different AGES were grouped together (albeit learning different parts). We had much better results then.
The difference? Discipline. Serious. In home as well as school - if even needed in the latter.
You are wrong. Those diseases like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are often treated by neuropsychiatrists.
The physical problem in the brain still exists... like with epilepsy that is triggered in the frontal lobe. The symptom of epilepsy... the actual seizure is treated by a neurologist. Medications like lamictal, tegretol and depakote are often used.
And with bipolar disorder these same medications, as anti-convulsants, as well as anti-depressants, and ECT are common courses of treatment. ECT, which causes a grand mal seizure, changes the chemistry almost miraculously. And people who have gone through an initial round of ECT (up to 20 treaments) sometimes return for an ECT “booster”. Just four or five treatments alone will miraculously bring the patient back from the edge of severe suicidal depression.
DING! DING! DING...we have a winner!
It’s not Rhinocort, is it?
Yes there is
Taken directly from the IDEA regs
(25) Prohibition on mandatory medication.-- (A) In general.--The State educational agency shall prohibit State and local educational agency personnel from requiring a child to obtain a prescription for a substance covered by the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 801 et seq.) as a condition of attending school, receiving an evaluation under subsection (a) or (c) of section 614, or receiving services under this title.
(B) Rule of construction.--Nothing in subparagraph (A) shall be construed to create a Federal prohibition against teachers and other school personnel consulting or sharing classroom-based observations with parents or guardians regarding a student's academic and functional performance, or behavior in the classroom or school, or regarding the need for evaluation for special education or related services under paragraph (3).
Here is the link for verification -
http://idea.ed.gov/explore/view/p/%2Croot%2Cstatute%2CI%2CB%2C612%2Ca%2C25%2C
Any questions? -
I know a child that can correctly solve 15-20 single-digit addition problems per minute normally, and 45-50 per minute with an 8-hour medicine related to Ritalin. The child has no sense of time themselves, but you can tell within about 15 minutes when the 8 hours wears off and the very well-behaved child completely loses the ability to focus.
This guy is a nutcase.
Many parents don’t want their children to be disciplined. In their minds the problem is that the teacher will not conform to the “needs” of the child. But
schools are regimented societies, a fact that many parents will not accept. The skilled teacher who has no discipline problems is a rare bird. Many manage to regiment kids without seeming to. Others are martinets who are able to overawe pupils without driving them to rebellion. In any case, they have learned how to work within the institution. The pity is that they are seldom rewarded for their ability and end up being assigned “problem” children.
ED? that woman is a saint. I mean that sincerely. Unless you have walked in those shoes, no one can completely understand what that is like. You obviously have an idea. Those classrooms are the toughest of the tough right there.
The fact is he's is a Whacked Out Scientologist Shill by his association with the CCHR.
Agreed, but the doctor in question is saying far more than that...he's saying it doesn't exist and it's ALL just a cabal.
You ignore the totally artificial enviroment of the elementary classroom. Boys are naturally more active than girls; they are taught by women who expect boys to behave like girls.
I assure you that I fully appreciate that. I'm also aware of the details of brain development that makes some people not able to learn in certain ways - such as by reading - at certain ages. The ban against any form of physical contact is problematic too. Boys especially tend to learn from tactile interaction and physical manipulation. I've met some young boys that don't seem to learn if someone is not touching them at the time (like a hand on the shoulder), or that don't seem to get things unless spanking is periodically involved - but are utterly unstressed by the spanking.
There are different ways of learning, and different ways of processing information. For example, some people process math visually, some audibly, some spatially/symbolically. Some few can switch between the methods at will.
Yep. The most common effect of long term therapy is...addiction to therapy - not improvement. Many become more despondent in general, but attach a positive value to the therapy, as it means they are doing something, and it offers hope...all the while it messes them up further. None of which is to say that no one benefits, or even that many don't benefit, or that it may not help one time and not another.
I’d agree. Obviously, out-of-control kids (the 1s who DON’T have ADD - 90%) had parents who didn’t care to exact good behavior from them. For fear of treading on their “rights” and “self-expression”. Etc.
I don’t know which came 1st - parents threatening schools for disciplining their kids, or schools declaring they were better than exacting discipline. ;-)
You can often tell those parents too...they don't TRY to control their kids. It's a combined incremental effect. Even if the kid has ADD, parental actions are still quite meaningful.
Didn’t need no psychologist giving me legalized cocaine.
Probably responsible for more messed-up kids than anyone in American history, even Keyes(hope I got the name right...the guy who did the 1-in-10 and human sexuality studies based on the diaries of a child molester) .
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