Dad beats, shoots and paralyzes Teen daughters lover

The Morning News of Northwest Arkansas ^ | 8-2-07 | Robin Mero

[ElkGroveDan]

Would you shoot a gun through a closed bedroom door with your daughter on the other side? Answer that.

I gave my answer in post #4

[LanPB01]

I don’t believe anyone is saying that. Once you tell your son’s friends to leave, their invitation has been revoked. In this case, according to the article, Guzman was telling the father he would leave as soon as he was discovered.

[jude24]

You are honestly claiming that I would legally have to sit around and wait for them to decide to leave my home? That as long as they were invited in by a minor who resides in my home, I have no legal say in the matter?

You can ask them to leave, and overrule your kids. But they are not trespassers.

[GraceCoolidge]

So, say I had a teenage son who decided to invite some friends over my house without my permission and they were monopolizing my family room as they loudly played stupid videogames. Doing absolutely nothing illegal - just being nuisances.

You are honestly claiming that I would legally have to sit around and wait for them to decide to leave my home? That as long as they were invited in by a minor who resides in my home, I have no legal say in the matter?

I think that you can order them to leave, and have them removed by law enforcement if need be, but you can't beat them with a pool cue and then shoot them.

[piytar]

His statement is that he fired warning shots above and below the door, not “aimed” through the door. That sort of evidence should be very clear and simple to present in court. No bullet hole in the door makes it an accidental shooting.

Um, the bullet hole in the back (lower) kind of proves the point, doesn't it? Either that, or that's one short door!

[gracesdad]

“You are honestly claiming that I would legally have to sit around and wait for them to decide to leave my home? That as long as they were invited in by a minor who resides in my home, I have no legal say in the matter?”

Please show me where I said that. You have every right to tell them to leave and if they don’t, then they’re trespassing. But before you tell them to leave, they’re not because they were invited in by a resident of the house. The boyfriend was NOT trespassing.

[Centurion2000]

Absolutely completely 100% wrong: If your spouse or responsible kid (17 yr. old definitely counts) invites someone into your house, they are NOT an intruder and you cannot shoot them for being there. Sheesh.

And when the boy refused to leave when ordered to do so by the property owner, AND began a physical assault on the property owner he became an intruder / home invader subject to deadly force.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Thanks for enlightening me.

[org.whodat]

Those are the types that need gun control.

Would you have felt better if had gone like the case in PA last year where the kid killed the man and his wife and took the daughter.

Turn Mr Reed lose, anyone that enters in to a man house in such a case should know he is taking his life in his own hands.

[Centurion2000]

And the boy wasn’t trespassing because the girl invited him in.

And the boy refused to leave after being ordered to by the owner of the property and began a physical assault on the property owner.

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

That’s just plain stupid. He shot through a door and could have kill the kid or his own daughter. You condone that?

[LanPB01]

It’s really easy to defend positions when you’re inventing facts from whole cloth.

[piytar]

You are honestly claiming that I would legally have to sit around and wait for them to decide to leave my home? That as long as they were invited in by a minor who resides in my home, I have no legal say in the matter?

Challenge.

Classic straw man. Your earlier point up-thread was that he was an intruder and therefore could be shot. Now you are saying "I have no legal say in the matter." Appleas and oranges. You can, of course, tell the teenage friends to leave. If they refuse, you can call the cops. If they threaten you, you can defend yourself. However, you can't block their exit and then shoot them as intruders.

Nice try with the strawman, though.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

LOL

[stuartcr]

Of course not, but this is not at all the same situation, is it? The man beat the boyfriend for hiding in his daughters closet. I don’t think that deserves a death penalty or even a shooting. The man’s life was obviously not endangered.

[subterfuge]

All 3 of them screwed up. Sad.

[Dr.Deth]

That’s the thing that jumped out at me, too.

[piytar]

If you are the homeowner and your spouse/child invites someone into your home, I believe you have the right to demand that person leave or be removed.

Not necessarily true w/r/t spouse. In most states, each spouse has an equal right to full enjoyment of the property, so each person can invite someone in irrespective of the wishes of the other. Some states may be different. Of course, if you are in a house and one spouse says "stay" while the other says "get out," the course of prudence is to GET OUT!

[TalonDJ]

Absolutely completely 100% wrong: If your spouse or responsible kid (17 yr. old definitely counts) invites someone into your house, they are NOT an intruder and you cannot shoot them for being there.

He ordered the man out of the house the guy refused, attacked him (by kicking) and then barricaded himself in his daughters room. Made himself a fair target. Note that the man ordered him out BEFORE going for a gun. As the home owner he DOES have veto power over everyone there. If a family member invited them in that only earns them a head start. The kid turned down the offer of a head start by barricading the bedroom door. Even if that boy was as pure as the wind driven snow he was still fair game to get shot at that point. The only thing this homeowner did wrong was shooting blindly through the door.

[VanDeKoik]

“Wow, some of you folks are absolutely disgusting, cheering this on. Just wow. I feel sick just reading some of these responses and justification.”

There are truly some real nut jobs on this site sometimes. A lot of these clowns think this is how they used to do it in the “good ole days”. Their fathers and grandfathers would beat the snot out of them for assuming that they would act like the animal that this guy is.

Maybe they can all take up a collection for their new folk hero so he can buy some kneepads for his new home.

There wont be any closets to hide in where he’s going.