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To: Nachum

>>I don’t think I have ever heard of anyone who consumes a diet under 1,000 calories a day being fat.<<

I have. I watched my niece do it. Sooner or later when you go back to eating normally (like with bread), you gain weight. Most times, more than what you took off. How long can one eat only 1000 calories? It has to be forever.

The problem is that diets fail. Eventually, one’s body gets used to an amount of calories. Plateaus happen. People are eating salads and not losing a pound. One only has so much time to exercise.

So for some people, the eat less/move more formula works. When one has to lose 20 pounds, it works.
When one is staring at hundreds, there is something else going on.


14 posted on 08/20/2007 2:04:56 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: netmilsmom
I have. I watched my niece do it. Sooner or later when you go back to eating normally (like with bread), you gain weight. Most times, more than what you took off. How long can one eat only 1000 calories? It has to be forever.

Atkins is the only diet that has worked for me.

29 posted on 08/20/2007 2:28:03 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: netmilsmom

Here you go again with using your niece’s bad crash diet as “evidence” against the best most successful healthiest way their is to lose weight.

no a person is NOT guaranteed to go back to eating the way they did before (which if they weight 400 pounds is NOT normal eating).

A full grown adult should NEVER under ANY circumstances be eating less than 1000 calories a day. That’s a crash diet that puts a person into starvation mode which is unhealthy. Like I told you before it’s eat LESS exercise more not eat almost nothing.

The problem isn’t that diets fail it’s that PEOPLE fail. It happens all the time. Plateaus aren’t a failure, if you stick to a healthy exercise program the plateaus will end on their own after a few weeks and you will resume losing weight. In the mean time during a plateau you tend to lose girth, during my weight loss I could almost guarantee that when the scale wouldn’t budge for two weeks is when I’d have to remove a link from my watch band.

Unless a person is fighting their own genetics (and that’s a really small percentage of the people) eat less move more ALWAYS when PROPERLY applied. That means no crash dieting, that means no starvation mode, that means approaching it as a permanent change of your life so no going back to eating like “normal”. And it works GREAT for losing lots of weight. If eat less exercise more is so bad for losing lots of weight why is it that’s the EXACT method they use for morbidly obese people, sure they use surgeries to either force the person to eat less or force the person to digest less, but that’s still what they do.

you really need to stop using you and your nieces failures with crash diets as “evidence” against a good healthy way for people to lose weight. For one thing neither of you actually followed eat less exercise more, and for another the plural of anecdote is not fact.


34 posted on 08/20/2007 2:37:16 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: netmilsmom
The problem is that diets fail.

The first problem is when someone looks at an eating plan as a "diet".

How long can one eat only 1000 calories? It has to be forever.

The truth is that it has to be forever for some people. Especially for those addicted to food. The abstinance menus of Over Eaters Anonymous and Compulsive Eaters Anonymous are approximately 1,000 per day or less. If someone has been obese (clinically speaking) there is a very real possibility of food addiction issues.

Sooner or later when you go back to eating normally (like with bread)

That is the issue. The clinically obese individual can never go back to eating bread. Ever. They can never go back to eating white flour or sugar in any large quantity at any time. If a person goes to have a lap band procedure or stomach stapling, they are now required to have counseling on food addiction before and after the surgery.

People are eating salads and not losing a pound.

Sorry, I don't believe it. They must be eating much more than salads.

So for some people, the eat less/move more formula works. When one has to lose 20 pounds, it works,

No matter what eating plan a person follows, quantity is the key issue. It is a basic choice: eat more and suffer ( or die) or eat less and live.

I have suffered from obesity issues myself and have a daughter who is obese. No matter what excuse she makes for eating, it is always a choice. I am not minimizing the difficulty at all- it is like climbing a mountain. For most, it takes a life changing moment to finally accept it.

87 posted on 08/20/2007 3:11:01 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: netmilsmom
The problem is that diets fail. Eventually, one’s body gets used to an amount of calories.

If you're not one of the small number of people suffering from a rare disorder, you will lose weight if you burn more calories than you consume.

Plateaus happen. People are eating salads and not losing a pound. One only has so much time to exercise.

People may think they've plateaued but unless they've found a way to repeal the first law of thermodynamics, they're just fooling themselves. You can't get something from nothing. If you burn more than you eat, you will lose weight. It's a lot easier process if you're exercising regularly. Everyone can find an hour in their day to exercise, especially if they're obese. Exercising at the right time can also help you control the urge to eat.

88 posted on 08/20/2007 3:11:48 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: netmilsmom

I am totally in agreement with you.

There isn’t a sufficient explanation for why some people can eat however much and however what they want and still remain slim, slender or thin (or whatever you call it).

Others can be on a low-calorie diet forever and may lose weight initially, but only have to stray off the reservation for a couple of weeks and everything starts back where it was.

There is no doubt in my mind that there’s an answer and if someone is looking for it and finds it, it will be a very good thing.


95 posted on 08/20/2007 3:15:47 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: netmilsmom
When one is staring at hundreds, there is something else going on.

Yeah right they gained all those hundreds in one week not years of over indulging
98 posted on 08/20/2007 3:18:07 PM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: netmilsmom

“Sooner or later when you go back to eating normally (like with bread), you gain weight. Most times, more than what you took off. How long can one eat only 1000 calories? It has to be forever.”

It’s a copout to say that one doesn’t have the time to walk 40 minutes per day. That is all one has to do. Just walk on the sidewalk; you’re already paying for it. Just walk.

Then, you can do just about anything you want. The 40 minutes of walking every day will resolve all the other issues. You’ll lose the excess weight slowly, gradually, but it will decrease and all your vital signs will improve.

Or, you can make excuses, like I just don’t have time. I’m too busy. I’m too fat.


150 posted on 08/20/2007 8:46:07 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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