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Stephon Marbury Comments On Vick
WJBF (Augusta, GA) ^ | 21 Aug 07

Posted on 08/22/2007 5:04:23 AM PDT by PurpleMan

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To: fortheDeclaration
I was for the NFL taking immediate action once they learned that the charges were filed.

So, do you see how it was wrong for the NFL to abdicate it's responsibility to the State? Unfortunately, once the law steps in, this sort of thing happens all the time.

141 posted on 08/22/2007 8:07:47 AM PDT by gridlock (You’ll never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
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To: AppyPappy
Do you have a link to the article that says that Vick personally drowned dogs?

You might want to check out the indictment, it is on the internet.

On I believe page 17, Vick is said to have personally been involved in killing the dogs thru either drowning, hanging or electrocution.

Being a millionare, I guess he couldn't afford having a vet just put them down humanly, it was more fun to watch them suffer-made him feel like a tough guy, with the rest of his thug buddies.

142 posted on 08/22/2007 8:08:13 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: delphirogatio

Actually it said they “collectively” participated in the death of the dogs. Rather interesting way to put it. Drowning dogs is still practiced up here in the hills. The irony is that people would be appaled if he gassed them to death and that’s how we “euthenized” them at the dog pound.

I found it interesting that the guys fought the same dogs over and over. The standard belief is that the dogs fight to the death. Usually one just gives up.

The problem is not necessarily the fighting. It’s everything before the fighting. Vick gave away a lot of dogs that did not fight. They were all over town. That’s why pit bulls are so dangerous.


143 posted on 08/22/2007 8:08:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: WL-law

I agree with your point about legal positivism. The law should exist to protect our inalienable rights, and whose rights are being violated in cases of animal cruelty?

But it’s a hard principle to follow through with. I don’t know...what happens when animal torture parlors open up in my neighborhood? Or gambling houses where scum bet on how long it takes for exotic and rare animals to kill each other? Is this just something I would have to put up with?

I know it’s kinda against conservative principles but what about requiring licenses for evil crap like that but charging 1000 billion dollars to get one? It’s hard to be principled in cases like this. I’m certainly not going to sob fer the s.o.b. who doesn’t get to hurt animals fer jollies anymore because he is busy watching his butt in prison.

Freegards


144 posted on 08/22/2007 8:09:16 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
I think he may get 3 years.

Most of the Legal Beagles that ESPN has been trotting out are suggesting as little as 18 months of actual prison time. 2 years is the figure most often cited.

Vick will still be shy of his 30th birthday. Enough time will have passed that emotions will have cooled over what he did. It's up to the commissioner to decide whether he gets reinstated or has the possibility of re-instatement when he gets out.

Again, it's the gambling charge that will probably end-up being the most significant where Vick's future career is concerned.

145 posted on 08/22/2007 8:10:03 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: gridlock
So, do you see how it was wrong for the NFL to abdicate it's responsibility to the State? Unfortunately, once the law steps in, this sort of thing happens all the time.

What does the NFL have to do with Vick breaking a federal law?

The NFL has the right to fire the guy for breaking the law.

The State has to step in and deal with criminals.

The business has a right to protect its own interests and reputation by removing him.

146 posted on 08/22/2007 8:10:45 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Tallguy

He’ll get more time for running the farm than he will for actually fighting them. That’s proof of conspiracy to engage in gambling and dogfighting.

I wonder what they will do with all of Vick’s pit bulls.


147 posted on 08/22/2007 8:12:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: gridlock
Slaughterhouses are governed by laws to make sure they are clean and HUMANE.
TORTURE is NOT ALLOWED.

Goodness, what in the hell is wrong with people on this thread who think this behavior is fine!

Don’t you understand that torturing animals is a sign of mental illness and sociopathic behavior?
Let this activity go on because dogs are private property, and YOU will be the next killed and tortured when these blood thirsty demons are no longer thrilled by animal torture and want to move on to something more exciting.......like people.

BTW, what kind of people do you think are involved in this so called “Sport?” Mostly thugs.
That should tell you all you need to know about what mindset enjoys dogfighting.

Learn how to act in a society.

148 posted on 08/22/2007 8:12:36 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: jpsb; Earthdweller; junta; mhx; Iscool; theDentist; Old_Mil; mysterio; ClearCase_guy; gidget7; ...

It’s unethical to cause unnecessary harm. It is the usual proper function of law to protect the innocent.


149 posted on 08/22/2007 8:12:41 AM PDT by ProCivitas (Duncan Hunter '08: Pro-Family + Fair Trade = Pro-America)
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To: gridlock; jdub
Is a cow capable of defending itself? Hundreds of Millions of cows are killed every year. They are denied life. What could be more abusive than that?

Killing the cow by cutting up the cow while it is still alive.

That is what dogfighting essentially is: Killing at least one dog by cutting up the dog while it is still alive.

Killing an animal humanely is considered acceptable in our society.

Torturing an animal to death is not.

150 posted on 08/22/2007 8:13:14 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: ProCivitas

Innocent people, yes. Animals? No.


151 posted on 08/22/2007 8:13:58 AM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not mutually exclusive.)
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To: Vanbasten
"Are we allowed to kill animals or not?"

Dog fighting is animal abuse - the dogs tear each other apart. Killing for food is one thing. Deliberate cruelty is another.

Carolyn

152 posted on 08/22/2007 8:15:15 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Tallguy
Again, it's the gambling charge that will probably end-up being the most significant where Vick's future career is concerned.

I agree and if there is gambling, you can expect the IRS to get involved.

They got Pete Rose on not reporting that income.

As for time served, this judge is considered pretty tough.

Vick did not make a deal, he just pled.

The charges are up to 6 years, so getting 3 would be pretty reasonable, since he finaced the operation and was the 'big fish'.

But even two would acceptable.

As for Vick coming back, I know alot of the 'experts' are saying that it is possible, but he will not come back as a quarterback and I don't think he will accept being a 'slash' player.

This guy has a huge ego and will not take a secondarily role.

Moreover, I think the experts are underestimating the public's reaction on his return.

More is going to come out on exactly what he did and those images are not going to go away.

What team will want to be identified with that kind of cruelty?

The sad thing is that he was not stopped before hundreds of dogs were destroyed-which he bred them for.

153 posted on 08/22/2007 8:16:50 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: ProCivitas
It’s unethical to cause unnecessary harm. It is the usual proper function of law to protect the innocent.

The innocent... what?

If this principle applies to dogs, does it apply to cats?

If dogs and cats, does it apply to cows?

If dogs, cats and cows, does it apply to rats? Can I use a glue trap on a rat, which kills slowly?

Moving down the anthropomorphic scale, what about spiders, roaches and ants? Must they be dispatched humanely?

Where is that line drawn, if not at the obvious point, which is between humans and everything else? Is their a fuzziness scale? A cuddliness quotient? A soulful-eye meter that can be employed?

154 posted on 08/22/2007 8:16:57 AM PDT by gridlock (You’ll never grow old with Hillary-Care!)
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To: snoringbear
You said "shot dead in the head." Precisely. They are killed for food or other purposes humanely. Dog fighting is simply cruelty for someone's perverted pleasures.

Carolyn

155 posted on 08/22/2007 8:17:22 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Polybius

The dogs don’t necessarily die as a result of the fight. If one dog shies, the fight stops and they reposition the dogs. If he shies again, the fight is over. Oddly, many times they shy because of mouth wounds, not body wounds. Somewhere on FR, there is an article about dogfighting.

Cockfighting is fatal to the loser. They fight to the death.


156 posted on 08/22/2007 8:17:38 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: NorthFlaRebel
"people wanting this guy to go to prison for years upon years, "

I would rather see him covered with gravy and put in a cage with the dogs he abused.

Carolyn

157 posted on 08/22/2007 8:19:25 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: AppyPappy

it would seem that you were trying to say that the dogs dont fight to the death, so its ok. instead, they just fight until one dies.


158 posted on 08/22/2007 8:19:25 AM PDT by jdub
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To: AppyPappy
I think he may get 3 years.

Most will be euthanized via injection. A few people might want a Vick-dog, as strange as that sounds.

The shelters are full of Pit Bulls and mixed Pits. Vicks defunct kennel just adds to the numbers.

159 posted on 08/22/2007 8:20:27 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: jdub

You need to learn how to read. I’m simply giving you the facts.


160 posted on 08/22/2007 8:21:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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