Posted on 08/22/2007 5:04:23 AM PDT by PurpleMan
Stephon Marbury, NBA star, "...You know, from what I hear, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors."
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‘Bout time you chimed in on your own thread...
A lot of things can and should be done. Society should condemn the behavior as abhorrent, which it is. People who engage in it should be shunned. Religious, cultural and community institutions should come out against the practice, whenever it becomes a concern.
Other things can be done to regulate the behavior. For instance, if the Panda is an endangered species, there are laws against killing one. If Joe down the street is a minor, pressure should be brought on his parents to correct his behavior.
But just willy-nilly banning things has never stopped anything. People who advocate banning as a form of expression fail to realize that doing so removes the activity from the realm of polite society and drives it underground, where it thrives. From a strictly practical point of view, banning animal cruelty does very little to stop animal cruelty, and may even promote it.
The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.
The thread began with noticing the continued cultural decline of the NBA as demonstrated by Mr. Marbury’s remarks. The last comment was...
“how do you stop scum from betting on things like how long it takes army ants to kill a strapped down panda?”
It’s been like watching a train wreck.
Besides the ethical question, Vic knew he was committing a crime. Like many celebrities he thought he was above the law, believing laws are only made for the common people. I’ve met some of his defenders who seem to believe the same thing.
Authority is defined as “a power or right delegated or given”. In the context I’m using the word “right”, it is synonymous with “authority”, in that societies have been delegated the right (authority) to make laws by the citizens of said society.
The law should exist to protect peoples inalienable rights, this is why abortion is wrong, it infringes on a person’s rights. I’m not sure how you justify there being endangered species laws whilst on the other hand saying ultimately the gubberment can’t ban animal torture-sports. If an animal is on someones land, why can’t that animal be bought and sold to whoever to do whatever with?
My point is that it is hard to be principled on this subject, and it might not break my heart to be hypocritical in my conservative beliefs when it comes to not sobbing into the constitution if a scum-bag can’t torture animals anymore because he is looking over his shoulder in prison.
I know it isn’t a perfect solution conservative-wise, but how about we issue “animal cruelty licenses” to those wanting to hurt animals fer jollies. Anybody caught hurting animals fer jollies without one and the gubberment steps in. We charge 1000 billion dollars to be licensed to be cruel to animals fer jollies.
Freegards
I’m not talking about legality. As for cruelty...death is the ultimate cruelty. If you think swift death is less cruel or more ethical, more power to you. I however disagree. Nature is cruel.
Personally, I don’t fight dogs or attend dog fights. At the same time, I don’t pretend that this makes me a better man either.
Yes, it is.
No, that is why we have the word 'torture' in the dictionary.
When we execute people we don't make it as painful as possible.
Personally, I don’t fight dogs or attend dog fights. At the same time, I don’t pretend that this makes me a better man either.
If you fought dogs and attended dog fights it would make you a lesser man, whether you admit it or not.
To enjoy watching suffering is the sign of a sadist.
“No, that is why we have the word ‘torture’ in the dictionary.
When we execute people we don’t make it as painful as possible.”
Well we’re not talking about people, now, are we? And I guess that’s really what I’m driving at, all you easily outraged seem to be equating man with dog. They are obviously not equal.
***disclaimer for the comprehension impaired***
I am not advocating dogfighting. If you read my posts carefully you would know that. I only was interested in the discussion. Calling me a sadist, sick, etc. is ridiculous.
I agree that the NFL is failing in its resonsiblity in dealing with Vick.
I think they are trying to see how best to cut their losses rather then deal with this a moral issue.
Well we’re not talking about people, now, are we? And I guess that’s really what I’m driving at, all you easily outraged seem to be equating man with dog. They are obviously not equal.
Never said they were, but suffering is still suffering, just on a higher level.
***disclaimer for the comprehension impaired*** I am not advocating dogfighting. If you read my posts carefully you would know that. I only was interested in the discussion. Calling me a sadist, sick, etc. is ridiculous.
I didn't call you a sadist, I called those who watch animals tear each other apart for 'sport' sadists.
To enjoy watching something suffer that doesn't have a choice in the matter but is being forced to fight is sadistic-which is what dog-fighting, bull-fighting, bear-baiting etc are.
And those involved in it are cowards.
“I didn’t call you a sadist, I called those who watch animals tear each other apart for ‘sport’ sadists.”
Others did. I wasn’t singling you out.
“Never said they were, but suffering is still suffering, just on a higher level”
Hard to say since we aren’t dogs. Who knows? You sound like you are projecting. I’m just guessing here (at least I admit that), but sensations in a dog are probably a tad different than what we imagine.
FWIW, I'm not a big fan of cultural relativism.
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I don’t post here to advance the conservative agenda to leftists. I don’t care who quotes me as what I say is entirely my opinion. As long as you don’t sell crack, or take it off your property there should be no reason for the government searching your premises. Yes I like moonshine. No I don't smoke or grow weed. something the leftist libertarians would love to legalize. My point is that our individual freedoms are being increasingly eliminated by the nanny state. Its just that simple. If I seem cruel and heartless for supporting an individual’s private property rights to a bunch of socialist totalitarians then so be it
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Many people who would castrate Vick for being “cruel” to a dog would have no problem sticking a knife through the skull of a partially birthed human being. I can’t get too excited about the “rights” of an animal in a society that uses individual rights as an excuse to deprive all human beings of their God given freedom.
Thus the violation of interstate commerce laws.
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Interstate commerce laws. Another way for the feds to control our behavior and take our rights away.
Geez you are dense...
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Ad hominem attack. Can you refute the premise that the dog has pack instincts and is carnivorous?
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Then wtf is Roe v. Wade? The innocents? are you talking about dogs? A dog is a carnivorous animal with no conscience and no rights. Is Vick wrong? Of course he is ....but it's his property and his business. Our freedom is more important than interstate commerce laws or “animal rights”. I understand the law is clear on the side of the dogs. The law is just another example of how far the state has come in eroding our rights. Just like we can’t spank our children, or make liquor on our property. Big brother is in control. The line has been drawn much too far to the left. I agree Vick should go to jail for this. I’m just stretching a point to make a point.
I don't think there are any socialist totalitarians on this thread.
Look at what just came from your keyboard.
How many people in your life have told you something to the effect that you are either (a) insane, or (b) have a heart of ice? If it's more than about 800 or so, I suggest that you go have a talk with your clergyperson or physician and get some professional help.
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