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To: Vanbasten
[Well, if you are not equating these things with dog-fighting then why bring them up?” ]

Already answered in my prior post. Your arguments could just as well be made to outlaw hunting, slaughterhouses, etc.

Well, then you are equating them with dog-fighting.

You clearly have a hard time dealing with concepts.

Hunting is not cruel in that no animal is being tortured for sport.

In the slaughterhouse, the animal should be killed quickly and as painlessly as possible, not tortured for sport.

See the difference?

You are like a liberal who cannot see the difference being for the death penalty but against abortion.

Or cannot see the difference in killing in war and murder.

[ ” The issue is cruelty and dog-fighting is cruelty.” ]

Death is the ultimate cruelty. What occurs over the last few minutes of your life doesn’t make it more palatable.

Ofcourse it does.

I am sure you would rather die in your sleep then be tortured.

So, your entire premise is simply wrong.

Everything dies, but death doesn't have to be made a sport, as is dog fighting.

[ “Man should be alleviating suffering, not adding to it.” ]

We’re not adding to anything. Suffering has and always will exist. If anything, we maintain the status quo.

No, if you take dogs out and force them to fight you are adding to their suffering.

They have no volition, you are controlling their fate and making them suffer.

So, you are immoral for doing so.

[ “If any of those activities you listed above have any cruelty or needless suffering involved, those should be addressed and ended.” ]

You say it has nothing to do with PETA, or the imparting of human rights on animals, but that last statement does coincide with your prior thoughts.

Ofcourse it does.

I base my view on the Biblical view that man has been given stewardship over creation and thus should care for it.

PETA thinks that animals have rights, which they don't, only humans have 'rights' since rights entail volition, the ability to make moral choices, which animals cannot make.

You on the other hand, do make choices to add or alleviate suffering.

And God commands us to alleviate it, not add to it.

A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast, but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel'(Pr.12:10)

248 posted on 08/24/2007 2:56:11 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Over and over you equate humans with dogs; that is your problem not mine. You say that you don’t... yet you do it over and over. It isn’t about whether I don’t want to be tortured before I die, and would rather die in my sleep. It’s about freakin’ dogs. Comprehend Amigo! (READ SLOWLY; IT MIGHT HELP)

YOU are like a liberal, because you think humans and dogs have the same rights. They shouldn’t, but people like you have made it so they do. You are no different than the PETA supporter that believes animals are our equal.

In a prior post someone explained it as property rights. That statement is dead on. And you have wildly concluded that my property somehow has similar rights to my own. You, my friend, are dead wrong.


249 posted on 08/24/2007 3:25:26 PM PDT by Vanbasten
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