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To: Colonel_Flagg

I’ve seen it posted that some believe that the Israel of today is not truly the Israel of the Bible. Any comments?

I’m a Catholic Zionist, so it’s not my position, but it was an interesting statement.


17 posted on 08/23/2007 12:53:13 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Patriotic1

I’m not sure how you can define modern Israel in such a way that does not include ancient Israel in its definition. There is the same religion, culture, language, and land. Is there anything else that defines a nation?


24 posted on 08/23/2007 1:14:02 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: Patriotic1

It seems to me as a Jew that every non-heretical Christian believes Christianity is the ‘true Israel’. No doubt that’s why almost every thread mentioning Jews or Israel gets hijacked into urging Jews to convert.


26 posted on 08/23/2007 1:17:45 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: Patriotic1
I’ve seen it posted that some believe that the Israel of today is not truly the Israel of the Bible. Any comments?

Don't see how this is possible.

Israel has already gone through cycles in which God has allowed it to be scattered and then reestablish itself, but it is still Israel. Also cycles when God was pleased with it and very distraught with it, and yet it is still Israel.

The only contrary doctrine I can imagine is the idea of the Church as a replacement for Israel, but I don't buy it for a minute. Else why would Paul have discussed the differences between the Jewish Christian and their Gentile counterparts, and still positively assert that though God had offered salvation to the Gentiles, that there was still value in being a Jew.

27 posted on 08/23/2007 1:21:12 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Patriotic1
I’ve seen it posted that some believe that the Israel of today is not truly the Israel of the Bible. Any comments?

That's probably true - it was probably bigger.

36 posted on 08/23/2007 2:13:10 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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