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To: Iwo Jima
“Mr. Nelson is mistaken about the 8 mg. I posted that entire paragraph (which you conveniently left out) in response to accusations that the families were to blame because they abandoned their loved ones. Mrs. Nelson’s daughter, a nurse, stayed with her until she was made to leave. The same happened with other family members.

NO ONE (except Mr. Nelson, and he is mistaken) is saying that 8 mg is a lethal dose, or that that is what Mrs. Nelson was given by Dr. Pou, or that is what caused her death.

Mr. Nelson is going by what is recorded in the medical chaert, but Dr. Pou’s injections were not reflected in the chart — not in the physicians orders, the nurses notes, or in the MAR. But the pharmacy records that 20+ (IIRC) vials of morphine were dispensed to Dr. Pou were preserved.”

So why is this the first mention you’ve made of that in 200+ posts? I’ve been asking for facts all along, as you well know, and you’ve been ranting.

The post you’re referring to here is about all you posted besides your opinion. If you have more facts, why don’t you post them, too? I’ve said all along that we don’t have enough facts to determine that Dr. Pou committed murder. I’ve asked you what facts you have that I don’t. You have also said, repeatedly, that she gave lethal doses, and when I’ve cited that 8mg number, you have said it was a lethal dose, and railed at me for not seeing that.

If you have more information, post it. I don’t mean that you must copy and paste the whole article, either. Just a link will do. That is all I’ve been asking for, all along. You’ve said she’s a murderer, and never supported your accusation with facts. Point out the facts, and let us evaluate them. You’d be surprised how often that can change folk’s minds.

Absent those facts, I’ll say it again. We do not know enough to conclude that the doctor murdered those patients. After all, I’ve been pointing out all along that 8mg of morphine is not a lethal dose. Your response has been that the doctor murdered them, without even saying, (until now, as far as I know, having not gone back through the thread) that Mr. Nelson was mistaken, or that 8mg wasn’t a lethal dose. Do you see why I’ve been arguing with you? You have a lot of passion on the subject, but you’ve been letting it over-rule your intellect. Libs do that far too much.

Lots of missing vials of morphine? I need to read it myself. Nelson cited, as far as I can tell, an autopsy report, btw. If 8mg of morphine is all the ME found, that is not particularly supportive of your position, but it’s not necessarily fatal to it, either. Depends on what else the report says. I’d like to read that, too, if you have a link.

231 posted on 08/29/2007 3:05:15 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Old Student
Oh, come on now. I have repeatedly said that the 8 mg dose was not the one in question.

Read the executive summary put out by the Atty. Gen. and the 5 expert reports. The toxicology report (which I have not been able to find but which was reviewed and referenced by the experts) found morphine poisoning -- lethal levels or morphine (and in some cases versed) that were so high that they only plausible purpose was to kill.

You mentioned your wife. How would you react if she had been taken to a "safe" hospital to ride out a storm, had no particular problems such that death would be expected to be imminent, is given a huge dose of morphine by a doctor she never saw before and without consultation with her, her doctor, or you, and on autopsy no reason for her death could be found but the toxicology screen shows morphine poisoning? Would you buy the "but she was sick and would probably die soon anyway" line?
232 posted on 08/29/2007 9:12:01 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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