GOP version of Kucinich may be key person in race (Houston Chronicle on Ron Paul)

Houston Chronicle ^ | 9/8/07 | Roy R Reynolds

[Castro]

Ron Paul has a lot of things right that many of the current Republicrat candidates are afraid to get out of toe-step on: government independence, international police-force military, individual rights, and state vs. federal power. I would absolutely vote for his platform, I just hesitate voting for someone who comes in second in the crazy-race to Mike Gravel.

Hopefully he doesn’t run as a libertarian/independent after he drops out of the Republican primaries, I would hate for votes to be “wasted” on him. However, I do sincerely hope that the Republican machine takess a few ideas from him. People want to be protected by government, yes, but they do not want to be indentured to it, which is how the current winds seem to be blowing.

Finally, invoking Ayn Rand’s name as a muse for Ron Paul seems sac-philosophical (sacreligious).

[hedgetrimmer]

I’ve never seen Kucinich defend Constitutional government, have you?

[counterpunch]

Do you believe Ron Paul?
He will win in the general election as either the Libertarian candidate or as an independent.

He is just using the GOP primary as a springboard for his real campaign.

In your heart you know it’s true.
To deny it is to lie.

[counterpunch]

Correction. I meant to say he will run in the general election, not "win".
Rather, when he runs, Hillary will win, and it will all be made possible by Ron Paul.

 

[End Times Crusader]

Moderate and conservative Republicans won’t vote for Ru so you’re idea of him building a winning coalition is bunk. All he will be able to get are the votes of the far left, the libertarians, and the goose steppers over at Stormfront.

[End Times Crusader]

Not only would she win, she would take all fifty states.

[End Times Crusader]

I disagree. I think Paul running under a third party would actually benefit Republicans. Ru would take far more antiwar Democrat votes from sHillary than he would take Republican votes from Fred... er I mean the Republican nominee. Plus, finally being rid of Paul would help Republicans win over more moderate voters.

[traviskicks]

eh? This article is not about Kucinich, whom i doubt is any sort of constitutional defender.

[US at Risk]

I’m new posting to FR (long-time reader though) so I hope I don’t get zotted for taking an unpopular position.

I find RP’s platform to be a breath of fresh air. He really caught my attention by addressing the shell game our electeds have been playing by covering spending deficits with trade deficits. Inflation has been masked because the dollar has been well-accepted overseas, but the potential inflation is staggering. This has been a pet issue of mine for some time, and most people are not aware of the problem.

Reading through his website, many other positions make good sense as well. The main sticking point is what to do with Iraq.

I don’t want the U.S. to be perceived as weak, which would play well to various savages. It would also be to our advantage to make Iraq a good ally and to be a good ally to them. So, I’m hoping RP has a better exit strategy than simple withdrawal.

As far as positioning for a national election, I think RP could swing a lot of democrats, if he made it that far.

[counterpunch]

Ron Paul defends only his own egotistical misinterpretation of the Constitution.

[George W. Bush]

I don’t want the U.S. to be perceived as weak, which would play well to various savages. It would also be to our advantage to make Iraq a good ally and to be a good ally to them. So, I’m hoping RP has a better exit strategy than simple withdrawal.

Welcome to FR. Like you, many of us here who are Paul supporters don't necessarily embrace immediate withdrawal. In fact, I'm not sure anyone has posted on that very favorably. Like you, we're far more interested in his other policy issues and his consistency in his congressional career.

Having posted anything less than utter hatred for Dr. Paul will probably get you banned but we do have a Ron Paul pinglist here if you'd like to join it. There is also ronpaulforums.com but you'll find some threads there even more loopy than the stuff you find here on Congressman Paul. Perhaps the best single source for campaigns news and articles is a blog called DailyPaul.com.

[George W. Bush]

I think Paul running under a third party would actually benefit Republicans. Ru would take far more antiwar Democrat votes from sHillary than he would take Republican votes from Fred... er I mean the Republican nominee.

I don't favor RP making a third party run, despite both Libertarian and Constitution parties looking like they would unify to back him, a rare and odd event in itself but not at all surprising when you realize how many fans he has in both camps.

But if he did, he probably would hurt Hillary more in Hillary/Fred race. You'd see RP getting money quietly from certain figures and groups on the Right in this case.

In a Hillary/Rudy race, he'd hurt Rudi more. And the GOP would be out to cut RP's throat, kind of like now but even more so.

If Hitlery is the Dim nominee, Nader's promised he would run. But a third-party RP run might convince him to support RP instead, bringing in the Greenie/peace vote to enlarge his impact.

Just my guesses. And, despite many indications of how many on the Right will try to persuade him to run third-party, I don't think anything other than his wife will convince him to do so. But I thought I'd post it to you since we are so rarely in agreement. LOL.

[Designer]

"I like RP’s limited gov’t ideas.."

Ideas?

FYI: those "ideas" were fought over, and debated long before you, or I, or even Ron Paul was born.

They don't call them the Founding Fathers for nothing, you know.

[Designer]

"Republicanism - the one true party dedicated to the good of the nation"

Amazingly, he wrote this without closing his sarcasm tag.

[Designer]

"He is not running as a Liberterian Party candidate now, but just wait...- and remember my words"

O.K., bookmarking your post.

for what it's worth.

I happen to believe Ron Paul when he said he will not run as a third party candidate.

Furthermore, I believe the Republican party doesn't need any help in losing the general election. All they will have to do is nominate some "liberal lite" RINO, and the losing will be quite fast and easy.

Aw, heck, bookmarking my own post, too!

[traviskicks]

There are plenty of Freepers who support Ron Paul, you won’t get banned for supporting him.

[hedgetrimmer]

Name of article "GOP version of Kucinich may be key person in race"

[frankiep]

Ron Paul is NO Ronald Reagan!

Uh, I never said he was.

[JTN]

Well, I sure don’t believe it. But since you and your fave nutjob feel otherwise, instead of speaking in code innuendo, JTN, why don’t you spell out... 1) EXACTLY WHO you’re talking about when you say “those people”.

The Justice Department, and the Bush administration.

2) PRECISELY WHAT they saw as an OPPORTUNITY and PRECISELY HOW they planned to take advantage of it.

9/11, which you may recall was the topic under discussion, was the opportunity.

It was taken advantage of in myriad ways. To pick just one example, The USA PATRIOT act was not proposed in reaction to the attacks. The Reno DoJ had been asking for those powers for years, and the Republican Congress kept blocking them (As Dick Armey said of it, "One of these hotshots from the Justice Department said, 'This isn't new; we've been asking for this for a long time.' I said, 'We've been saying no for a long time.'").

[Nervous Tick]

You’re slinging truther BS, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Especially today. You and your pals disgust me to the point of puking. Especially today.

But I see that you and your nut-buddy are perfect for each other.

By the way, it was really refreshing how Bill O’Reilly sliced, diced, and minced your hero yesterday. Not that I’m a big BOR fan, mind you, but it was cool to see Elron get the b!tch-slapping he so richly deserves.

I won’t keep you, I’m sure that being 9-11 and all you have some Truther function to run off to. Scat!