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Who owned drug plane that crashed in Mexico?
McClatchy Newspapers ^ | September 27, 2007 | ay Root and Kevin G. Hall

Posted on 09/28/2007 9:12:06 AM PDT by Dubya

MEXICO CITY — U.S. authorities are assisting the Mexican government in the investigation of an American business jet that crashed in Cancun this week with four tons of cocaine on board, officials said Thursday.

One of the men listed as the registered owners of the plane, Joao Luiz Malago, said in a telephone interview from Brazil that his Florida-based company sold the aircraft for $2 million on Sept. 16 to a Lakeland, Fla., man and his partner, who Malago believed was from Miami.

Malago said he feared the man was dead because he hasn't been picking up the phone.

Officials at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico had no information on any American citizens being killed or arrested in connection with the aircraft, a 1975 model Gulfstream II.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


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To: Dubya

Hmmmm...that will put a dent in somebody’s political fundraising campaign. ;)


21 posted on 09/28/2007 9:43:08 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Celerity; Old Professer; Minn
4 tons in a gulfstream 75 ? Hmmmm I wonder why it crashed. /sarc

Given the specs Old Professer posted, I'm wondering how it got off the ground. Should we really believe there were 4 tons aboard? Assuming they had a reasonable amount of fuel along for the ride, looks like they would have been close to double the maximum payload. I don't know anything about aviation, but are planes really designed so they can lift off with nearly twice the load they can safely fly with?

22 posted on 09/28/2007 9:43:34 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Minn
"So, what’s an extra 2,500 lbs?"

apparently the difference between flying and crashing. Someone didn't adjust the fuel load to compensate for the extra weight?

23 posted on 09/28/2007 9:44:32 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Someone didn't adjust the fuel load to compensate for the extra weight?

From post #15: Payload with Full Fuel 2,831 Maximum Payload 5,456

The way I read it, compensating for the extra weight would have required putting the fuel load well into the negative range. Am I reading the numbers wrong?

24 posted on 09/28/2007 9:48:23 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

How much weight could they strip out of the plane, seats, nonessential plumbing and wiring, walls, carpet, etc?


25 posted on 09/28/2007 9:48:29 AM PDT by mnehring (!! Warning, Quoting Ron Paul Supporters can be Hazardous to your Reputation !!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
They would have had to short the fuel load in favor of the cargo. Which would work for a shorter hop, no need to haul the max fuel load.

The question is one of how much fuel they would need to get to Mena, AR?

26 posted on 09/28/2007 9:49:03 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: mnehrling

Apparently not enough :-)


27 posted on 09/28/2007 9:52:34 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mnehrling

Or perhaps they accidentally stripped out something that WAS essential. They’d only had the plane for 2 weeks, so it would have to have been a rush job to pull out close to 5000 pounds of “non-essential” stuff.


28 posted on 09/28/2007 9:56:35 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Aircraft are routinely flown over “gross”. In colder climates, 10% over the book figure is considered normal and approved.

The gross weight rating is puplished partly because of structural concerns, but more for airspeed operating envelope, and safe operations in an engine out situation for multi engine airplanes.

Adjust rotation speed, and climb speed, and it will fly. That aircraft probably still climbed in excess of 1,000fpm at sea level with that load. Lose an engine, though, and it is a different story.

As a side note, many of the military aircraft have published operation speeds for various MTOWs. Esentially, adjustable max gross weight ratings.


29 posted on 09/28/2007 10:09:39 AM PDT by wrench
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Imagine that the cocaine was in milk bottles, now imagine arranging them in rows, layers and columns to accomodate 476 bottles; that is how much space 4 tons of powdered coke would require.


30 posted on 09/28/2007 10:12:44 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

One gallon milk bottles.


31 posted on 09/28/2007 10:13:32 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
Milk bottles from a baby milk factory?:)
32 posted on 09/28/2007 10:24:19 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: stm

An eight ball (1/8 of an ounce) sells for around $200 in the midwest. So the retail value of the coke is over $200 million


33 posted on 09/28/2007 10:48:36 AM PDT by newbolt
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I recalculated using bricks as a volume measure based on gov. numbers (6”X12”X2”, 21/4 lbs); 24 bricks = 1 cubic foot in volume and weighs 54 lbs.; 1 cu ft will accomodate 4 bottles; 8000/54 = 592.6 bottles.


34 posted on 09/28/2007 11:45:01 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
I was just making fun of your milk bottles and CNN’S Iraq milk factory.:)
35 posted on 09/28/2007 11:55:44 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Old Professer

I forgot my mind somewhere in the beginning of this exercise:

At 12”x6”X2” it takes 12 bricks to make one cubic foot

Given 2.25 pounds per brick, 1 cubic foot of cocaine weighs 27 pounds

8000/27 = 296.296 bricks

Four one gallon milk jugs will sit side by side on one square foot of floor

4 X 296 = 1184 stupid milk jugs


36 posted on 09/28/2007 12:17:54 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mnehrling

Yea the McClatchy site took a couple of shots in that direction too.


37 posted on 09/28/2007 1:03:11 PM PDT by NYCynic
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