Skip to comments.Bush Warns Putin Over 'World War Three'
Posted on 10/17/2007 10:29:32 AM PDT by blam
Bush warns Putin over 'World War Three'
By Matthew Moore and Adrian Blomfield
Last Updated: 6:10pm BST 17/10/2007
George W Bush, the US president, today warned that world leaders risk helping bring about "World War Three" unless they do more to prevent Iran developing nuclear weapons.
David Blair: No warmth or trust behind the handshake Leader: Vladimir Putin in Teheran In remarks timed to coincide with Russian president Vladimir Putin's visit to Teheran, Mr Bush said the Islamic republic must remain isolated until it drops its nuclear ambitions.
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"We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Mr Bush told a White House press conference.
"So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War Three, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
Mr Bush's pointed statement follows the warm words exchanged by Mr Putin and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, at an historic summit in Teheran this week.
After their meeting Mr Putin repeated Moscow's line that there is no evidence to suggest Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb, and pledged to continue helping the country develop its civil nuclear technology.
As the first Kremlin leader to visit Iran since Josef Stalin in 1943, he also secured the vital backing of Azerbaijan in a five-nation pact by the Caspian states to prevent the US from using the region as a staging ground for military action against Iran.
Mr Bush added today that he had no doubts that Russia appreciated the dangers of a nuclear Iran.
But he said that he wished to speak to Mr Putin about his meeting with Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme Iranian leader, during which he is said to have suggested a new proposal to end the nuclear stand-off.
"I'm looking forward to getting President Putin's read-out from the meeting," Mr Bush said.
"The thing I'm interested in is whether or not he continues to harbor the same concerns that I do.
"I will continue to work with Russia as well as other nations to keep a focused effort on sending Iran a message that you will remain isolated if you continue your nuclear weapons ambitions."
Although Russia lent its reluctant backing to two United Nations resolutions imposing sanctions on Iran, it has been stridently opposed to escalating the penalties after Teheran refused to stop its uranium enrichment programme.
Among Western diplomats, opinion is divided as to whether Russia which has little to gain from a nuclear Iran will eventually acquiesce.
Emboldened by its vast energy resources and desperate to reclaim its status as a global power, Russia could also stand to gain by seeing the United States dragged into a new, controversial and potentially debilitating Middle East conflict.
I began my preps long ago.
Yes, someone does. But I know I won’t convince you. You are part of the problem. Literally.
I’ll join you but unfortunately, I am not in Congress. Bush went to Congress three or four months ago requesting money to begin accelerating nuclear weapons development. He was shot down. If you want Russia to back down from assisting in causing the 3rd world war, you must have something they either really want (which we don’t have) or have more advanced nuclear technology to annihalate them. Perhaps Bush should be going back to Congress and asking for more short and mid-ranged advanced MX style weapons to put back in the European theatre. Putin is KGB but he is not a stupid man. He remembers what would have happened if their armor columns started pushing Westward in the 80’s.
Ti kak akula.
The last time a corporal was in charge, he lasted 12 years. Non-Coms never give up, I'll grant you that.
“I think what Bush is saying is that if Russia helps Iran get nukes and they are used against us or an ally, it is the same as if Russia attacked us directly. Not a bad way to put it and fairly accurate.”
From what I have heard, Putin and the PRC have been told this already. However, it is worth repeating publically on national TV.
Excellent answer to that poster. Too bad it didn’t take.
You are sincerely welcome. I meant every word of what I said.
Yes, I understand. Thank you.
Is this the ‘christian love’ I’m supposed to expect? Being called an idiot for saying that God doesn’t care?
C’mon. You’re just proving me right..
“And they still have their First Strike Weapons, the SS-18, and their new Topol-M. We have retired...and dismantled unilaterally our best, and latest counterforce weapon, the MX missile.”
I posted to someone later about the MX. We need to build advanced short and medium range versions and deploy them to the European theatre and start this project NOW. Russia had one big moment of indecision to cancel the meeting with Iran and drop their nuke support. Putin chose poorly, lofty feeling in his public support and polarization of power, flush with oil money. Bush was dead on in his blunt statement. Putin has too much pride, he won’t back down. Iran will nuke Israel the minute they get the bomb and then we as Israeli allies must nuke Iran and targets in Russia for retribution. Since one Russian city will likely cause all out thermonuclear war, Bush is correct about WWIII and Russian involvement.
Remember Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby !
Recognition of another person’s idiocy does not equate with a lack of “Christian love”. Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Nanci Pelosi, et all are all idiots, but I still pray for them. I point out their idiocy (mostly to those who show support for them, but also from time to time when I call their offices), but that does not mean I don’t have Christian love for them. Your “proof” just when up in smoke.
At this time, the focus should shift to digging in. Literally. Meanwhile, have contingency plan ready for salvage economy on a mass scale, and relocation of nuke manufacturing to new secret locations in the thus far untargetted zones. I need to shut up .... loose lips.
You and I think the same. Me and my business partner are choosing our escape location in the foothills 40 miles from our current homes and getting prepared. Better to have it and not need it and need it and not have it. The economy will be a very bad recession on it’s own by 2009. If we have a WMD attack on one of our cities it will become a depression. You can and should tell everybody, not act like its loose lips. Our own intelligence agencies say a nuclear terrorist event in the USA is a WHEN now it is no longer an IF. How dare they even make such a statement?!?!? But since they don’t feel they can protect the country, I had better make sure I can protect myself and family.
“and relocation of nuke manufacturing to new secret locations in the thus far untargetted zones. I need to shut up .... loose lips.”
Oh yeah, how I see what you mean... Their are good contigency plans for that but more Civil Defense preparations must be made and now.
Promote Japan joining nuclear club. Proliferate to Sweden, Norway and Poland. Crash program to develop next gen heavy, long range, high efficiency bomber as well as next get cruise missile. Hypersonic atmosphere skipping intercontinental missile. Redeploy and redevelop full compliment of battlefield nuke capabilities. Airlift and more airlift. Etc.
“next get” > next gen
You have no nukes and nothing to win.
We (the People) have quite a few of them. That would include you and I.
When you face THE GOD of the universe, him providing acceptable answers to your questions will be the least of your concerns.
This has been an interesting thread. A couple of parting thoughts.
First one is, there were similar debates in the UK, prior to WW2. Churchill was labeled a warmonger and a nut case. We also had similar things going in the US which were even more potent. Isolationists managed to keep us from doing the right thing for way too long. We kicked the can down the road. We were in bad shape in 1941.
Second one is, there is a book. The title is “While America Sleeps.” Very prophetic - written prior to the EP-3 incident and 9/11, two events which, when viewed from the distant future, will be considered highly significant. In this book, Kagan and Kagan pull no punches and call our naivete about what lies ahead what it is - shameful. I urge you all to read this book before it is too late.
Then, take action. Vote as if our survival depends on it. Organize. Foment reform. Prepare. Take back the GOP. Take back the USA. So much is possible. Take the first step today.
When I face him, I hope to have a mutual understand of my curiosity and questions. I expect a fatherly exchange, not fire and brimstone like a druken abuser.
Liar. You were told each time why you were banned: Troll. Look it up.
Buh bye, Troll.
Foolish evil men...it's almost frightening to see them inviting their own destruction so brazenly.
I'm sure God is just shaking at the prospect of being cross-examined by you.
Good for President Bush! We need to stick up for Israel and bomb these idiots (Putin and Nutjob) before they wipe entire nations off the map.
I will fight until I see the thermonukes coming over the horizon. Then, more than likely, I’ll be on the roof of my house with a six pack and a catcher’s mitt.
And that's for a military-grade weapon. A terrorist is way more likely to have a home-brew job of much less power a half-kiloton or so. A bomb like that will wreck a city block and contaminate the area immediately downwind, but is unlikely to start a firestorm or contaminate the environment over a large area.
The key to surviving a nuclear attack is to zig when the bomb zags, i.e. to be somewhere else when it goes off. In everyday real-world terms, this means keeping your eyes and ears open for suspicious activities and/or vehicles (an otherwise ordinary van riding extremely low on its suspension, say), especially near high-value targets like stadiums, government buildings, landmarks, etc. Since the odds of any given person being within the "circle of death" caused by a terrorist weapon is fairly low, it's best to plan for a day after the Day After.
You misunderstand me. I am speaking of economic/infrastructure effects.
One thing I liked about the show Jericho, they understood how these things cascade. Our population would not take well to living in the style our grandparents did, let alone our nineteenth century ancestors in the case of a high altitude EMP attack.
Thank you. I’m not trying to convert anyone, by the way; I’m just sharing reaity as I have experienced it.
Oh, I agree. I’m convinced that any use of nuclear weapons by anyone here, there, or anywhere will throw the markets and the economies of the world into chaos, and kick off a major economic disaster, maybe even a global depression. For that reason alone we must prevent any other country from acquiring nuclear weapons, and must not use them ourselves except as a last-resort guarantee of national survival.
I understand. Conversion comes from within, not from without.
Good. You’re being deployed tomorrow at 0600.
56 posted on 10/17/2007 11:57:56 AM PDT by Tolsti
Is Tolsti a mutant from the movie 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes'? If so does he look like this when he takes his mask off?
The unmasked mutants and their god - a nuclear bomb - from the movie 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes'.
Or the device assembled on the target in a rented urban warehouse, disquised as a working shop of some kind and supplied with detonation material smuggled in.
The F-18's or B1's or Star Wars defense systems won't be much help in a scenario like that, especially since there may not be a clear target to retaliate against except some renegade pirates working mercenary
Good advice. While we remain here we should consider whether our actions are of benefit or do harm.
Here is the funny part...Those Jackass in Washington begged Putin to intervene.. How we could have invaded, bombed, killed the guys we can get out hands on who took our hostages.
Instead that Marooon Rice talks about Jews sharing Jeruselem with Islamofacist Fanatics.
Putin had to be scratching his head and asking his aides.. Are these guys in Washington really this stupid?
There have to be Cold War Generals in the Kremlin staring at reports of the Incompetence of the US Administration and the Cowardice of the Democratic Party and saying to themselves.
“18 years too late.. does the US Leadership fall apart. Otherwise we would be running things now and there would be no Muslims to have a problem with.”
‘Very nice sentiments on your home page. A Buckeye: Worthless Nut.
Email me if you dare. I’m in West Chester.’
Wow, what provoked this comment?
“email me if you dare. I’m in West Chester.”?
I don’t know who pissed in your wheaties, but you are picking a fight with the wrong poster. I don’t recognize the screen name, so I doubt beyond yesterday’s response to your ping we’ve ever held a single discussion online.
I’ll let you reconsider, its pretty obvious you’ve mistaken me for somebody else.
Those Jackasses in Washington begged Putin to intervene.. How? All this time we could have invaded, bombed, killed the guys we can get our ands on who took our hostages.” Now we have allowed it to turn into a Russia US issue.
Apologies.. for committing such Grammatical Mayhem
I wont dispute that. Someone else is trying to say Russia is no threat because they still use turboprops. Huge mistake....
That’s the way to look at it. Otherwise, you may get depressed!
I’d actually welcome it. Unfortunately, a few strings may need to be pulled. I’m a bit long in the tooth (at least by military standards) - LOL!
Still in good shape for an old fart, though.
I expect those as well. Tools matched to jobs.
Oh what will Hillry do to make Putin stop his nuclear seed sowing???
You question why God allows so much evil in the world. Simple: free will.
God has allowed man to choose for himself, one of the greatest acts of love imaginable. Many men choose evil.
Which is why all serious security experts have recommended we have 100% inspection BEFORE the ships get to our ports...at an intermediary facility some miles from our shores.
There was a number of U.S. firms which proposed doing this...and the Administration decided they would not back it.
They instead listened to the importers, who didn't want to pay the Inspection fees, which would not have been trivial. Heck, they don't even want to pay for the return shipment of their containers (as there is no return loads), which are piling up in our Railroad storage yards.
The F-18's or B1's or Star Wars defense systems won't be much help in a scenario like that
Actually, they are. The scenario you describe does not end the war, it merely begins it. You need defense and an arsenal in depth if you are to fight. And that is what promotes deterrence in the first place.