Posted on 10/17/2007 10:29:32 AM PDT by blam
Bush warns Putin over 'World War Three'
By Matthew Moore and Adrian Blomfield
Last Updated: 6:10pm BST 17/10/2007
George W Bush, the US president, today warned that world leaders risk helping bring about "World War Three" unless they do more to prevent Iran developing nuclear weapons.
David Blair: No warmth or trust behind the handshake Leader: Vladimir Putin in Teheran In remarks timed to coincide with Russian president Vladimir Putin's visit to Teheran, Mr Bush said the Islamic republic must remain isolated until it drops its nuclear ambitions.
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"We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Mr Bush told a White House press conference.
"So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War Three, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
Mr Bush's pointed statement follows the warm words exchanged by Mr Putin and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, at an historic summit in Teheran this week.
After their meeting Mr Putin repeated Moscow's line that there is no evidence to suggest Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb, and pledged to continue helping the country develop its civil nuclear technology.
As the first Kremlin leader to visit Iran since Josef Stalin in 1943, he also secured the vital backing of Azerbaijan in a five-nation pact by the Caspian states to prevent the US from using the region as a staging ground for military action against Iran.
Mr Bush added today that he had no doubts that Russia appreciated the dangers of a nuclear Iran.
But he said that he wished to speak to Mr Putin about his meeting with Ayatollah Khamenei, the supreme Iranian leader, during which he is said to have suggested a new proposal to end the nuclear stand-off.
"I'm looking forward to getting President Putin's read-out from the meeting," Mr Bush said.
"The thing I'm interested in is whether or not he continues to harbor the same concerns that I do.
"I will continue to work with Russia as well as other nations to keep a focused effort on sending Iran a message that you will remain isolated if you continue your nuclear weapons ambitions."
Although Russia lent its reluctant backing to two United Nations resolutions imposing sanctions on Iran, it has been stridently opposed to escalating the penalties after Teheran refused to stop its uranium enrichment programme.
Among Western diplomats, opinion is divided as to whether Russia — which has little to gain from a nuclear Iran — will eventually acquiesce.
Emboldened by its vast energy resources and desperate to reclaim its status as a global power, Russia could also stand to gain by seeing the United States dragged into a new, controversial and potentially debilitating Middle East conflict.
You have no nukes and nothing to win.
We (the People) have quite a few of them. That would include you and I.
When you face THE GOD of the universe, him providing acceptable answers to your questions will be the least of your concerns.
This has been an interesting thread. A couple of parting thoughts.
First one is, there were similar debates in the UK, prior to WW2. Churchill was labeled a warmonger and a nut case. We also had similar things going in the US which were even more potent. Isolationists managed to keep us from doing the right thing for way too long. We kicked the can down the road. We were in bad shape in 1941.
Second one is, there is a book. The title is “While America Sleeps.” Very prophetic - written prior to the EP-3 incident and 9/11, two events which, when viewed from the distant future, will be considered highly significant. In this book, Kagan and Kagan pull no punches and call our naivete about what lies ahead what it is - shameful. I urge you all to read this book before it is too late.
Then, take action. Vote as if our survival depends on it. Organize. Foment reform. Prepare. Take back the GOP. Take back the USA. So much is possible. Take the first step today.
When I face him, I hope to have a mutual understand of my curiosity and questions. I expect a fatherly exchange, not fire and brimstone like a druken abuser.
Liar. You were told each time why you were banned: Troll. Look it up.
Buh bye, Troll.
Foolish evil men...it's almost frightening to see them inviting their own destruction so brazenly.
I'm sure God is just shaking at the prospect of being cross-examined by you.
Good for President Bush! We need to stick up for Israel and bomb these idiots (Putin and Nutjob) before they wipe entire nations off the map.
I will fight until I see the thermonukes coming over the horizon. Then, more than likely, I’ll be on the roof of my house with a six pack and a catcher’s mitt.
And that's for a military-grade weapon. A terrorist is way more likely to have a home-brew job of much less power — a half-kiloton or so. A bomb like that will wreck a city block and contaminate the area immediately downwind, but is unlikely to start a firestorm or contaminate the environment over a large area.
The key to surviving a nuclear attack is to zig when the bomb zags, i.e. to be somewhere else when it goes off. In everyday real-world terms, this means keeping your eyes and ears open for suspicious activities and/or vehicles (an otherwise ordinary van riding extremely low on its suspension, say), especially near high-value targets like stadiums, government buildings, landmarks, etc. Since the odds of any given person being within the "circle of death" caused by a terrorist weapon is fairly low, it's best to plan for a day after the Day After.
You misunderstand me. I am speaking of economic/infrastructure effects.
One thing I liked about the show Jericho, they understood how these things cascade. Our population would not take well to living in the style our grandparents did, let alone our nineteenth century ancestors in the case of a high altitude EMP attack.
Thank you. I’m not trying to convert anyone, by the way; I’m just sharing reaity as I have experienced it.
Oh, I agree. I’m convinced that any use of nuclear weapons by anyone — here, there, or anywhere — will throw the markets and the economies of the world into chaos, and kick off a major economic disaster, maybe even a global depression. For that reason alone we must prevent any other country from acquiring nuclear weapons, and must not use them ourselves except as a last-resort guarantee of national survival.
I understand. Conversion comes from within, not from without.
Good. You’re being deployed tomorrow at 0600.
BINGO
56 posted on 10/17/2007 11:57:56 AM PDT by Tolsti
Is Tolsti a mutant from the movie 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes'? If so does he look like this when he takes his mask off?
The unmasked mutants and their god - a nuclear bomb - from the movie 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes'.
Or the device assembled on the target in a rented urban warehouse, disquised as a working shop of some kind and supplied with detonation material smuggled in.
The F-18's or B1's or Star Wars defense systems won't be much help in a scenario like that, especially since there may not be a clear target to retaliate against except some renegade pirates working mercenary
Good advice. While we remain here we should consider whether our actions are of benefit or do harm.
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