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In Orlando, GOP hopefuls hammer away at Clinton
The Orlando Sentinal ^ | October 21, 2007 | John Kennedy and Jim Stratton

Posted on 10/21/2007 10:51:32 AM PDT by codercpc

Florida Republicans, splintered by a crowded field of presidential candidates, opened the party's Presidency IV convention Saturday pledging to unify against Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/orl-politics2107oct21,0,7620762.story

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: fl2008; politics; primaryelection
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/orl-politics2107oct21,0,7620762.story

Overview of yesterdays GOP convention in Florida. Sounds like Fred failed to impress again, only speaking for 4 min and 37 seconds.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2007/10/freds-moneys-wo.html

Two Freepers (Fred supporters) were there and they were somewhat unimpressed also

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914146/posts

1 posted on 10/21/2007 10:51:34 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: codercpc

Repost of links to go straight to the story.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2007/10/freds-moneys-wo.html

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914146/posts


2 posted on 10/21/2007 10:53:30 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: codercpc
"Thompson's speech was so short -- 4 min. and 37 seconds -- some people in the crowd mistook his conclusion as just an applause line. ... Big deal, you say. ... Well, keep in mind that each campaign paid $100,000 to talk to the group of 3,000 Republican activists. If you do the math, that means Thompson paid $20,000 per minute, while Giuliani got away with a much more fiscally conservative price of $4,500 per minute."

???

3 posted on 10/21/2007 11:03:04 AM PDT by dano1
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To: codercpc
“hammer away at Clinton”

Hildabeast Klintoon, the ultimate in target rich environments.

4 posted on 10/21/2007 11:07:51 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: dano1

Here is what RedState says about Freds performance.

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/robert_a_hahn/2007/oct/21/the_presidential_4

Lastly, the highlight of the evening, the man every GOP activist had been waiting to finally see in person: Fred Thompson. Not much can be said about Fred Thompson’s appearance here this evening because Fred didn’t say much. He spoke for less than four minutes and said nothing. Many were appalled. More were disappointed. Some were even insulted at what was obviously a total lack of preparation to address a large and important state’s GOP activists. Many who had sought out “Fred Thompson” signs on the way in, left them in their chairs on the way out. Make no mistake: Fred blew it here tonight. He blew it badly. If he’s as ill-prepared for tomorrow night’s debate, his campaign will be over by Monday morning.


5 posted on 10/21/2007 11:33:58 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: codercpc
Lastly, the highlight of the evening, the man every GOP activist had been waiting to finally see in person: Fred Thompson. Not much can be said about Fred Thompson’s appearance here this evening because Fred didn’t say much. He spoke for less than four minutes and said nothing. Many were appalled. More were disappointed. Some were even insulted at what was obviously a total lack of preparation to address a large and important state’s GOP activists. Many who had sought out “Fred Thompson” signs on the way in, left them in their chairs on the way out. Make no mistake: Fred blew it here tonight. He blew it badly. If he’s as ill-prepared for tomorrow night’s debate, his campaign will be over by Monday morning.

I'm beginning to again consider the idea that Thompson's campaign is a secret ploy to give McCain a better shot at somehow winning.

6 posted on 10/21/2007 11:37:38 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Swordfished
You know, I never considered that, but I just read another post at RedState that brought up the exact same point (it wasn't you was it LOL).

For his Florida chances, he had better perform well tonight.

7 posted on 10/21/2007 11:40:10 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Swordfished
To say I'm seriously disappointed in Fred, so far, is an understatement. There is NO report of any of his speeches where people come away foaming at the mouth, ready to do battle for him. I watched three complete speeches on the web, including one from IA, and it was dull, uninspiring, and above all failed to attack HILLARY as the main foe.

Worst of all, like you I'm very concerned about the McCain "surge." In three state head-to-head polls, he now is close to, or beating Hillary in MO, KY, and OH. Rudy's close too, but McCain comes out best of all. This man is simply nuts, and would be the biggest disaster of all of them if he is the candidate.

8 posted on 10/21/2007 11:48:00 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS

All these reports about Fred leave me in a profound state of quandary, i.e., not ready to open my check book for any of the candidates. Although we have early voting here in
Tennessee and, in the past I’ve voted early every time I could, this time I’m probably going to wait to the day of the primary before I vote. The state of quandary reigns.


9 posted on 10/21/2007 11:57:54 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Swordfished

In watching Fred T. I get the sense that he doesn’t truly want to be president. Can you imagine a person becoming a doctor if that person had no deep desire to be a doctor? A politician is someone who desires the give and take of ideas and to be able to impact the outcome of ideas. I think some people are born to be certain things, and I don’t get a sense that Fred T. was born to be a politition. He was a fine actor, and probably a good man, but he doesn’t have the “fight” to achieve the presidency. McCain has it, and Romney has it. I’m not convinced that Rudy has it. Huckabee is a Baptist preacher who loves attention. I’m afraid that we are going to have to face the fact that we will have a “less than perfect conservative” as our candidate. We will have to fight for our country instead of our values this time around. If our country goes to hillary, our values will take an even bigger hit. We have to live to fight another day. JMHOs


10 posted on 10/21/2007 12:12:24 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: WVNan
I think Fred was "talked" into running from a very impressive grass roots organization (many right here on Free Republic), and his politically active wife. He would have been quite content to spend his time dabbling in a little acting, and being with his young family.

Many here have been berated for daring to say that we just didn't see the passion from him, yet he just keeps failing to impress. I don't know how long the voters will wait for him to improve, but since the first primary is only 75 days away, he had better start tonight.

We do live in an American Idol type society, and no matter what his hard core supporters say, it is delivery as much, or more than the actual message. Voters do want vibrant, and healthy. To this point Fred has not portrayed neither.

11 posted on 10/21/2007 12:21:46 PM PDT by codercpc
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To: codercpc
From what I’ve seen, Fred’s campaign staff is terrible. This type of gaffe is something the staff should have foreseen was going to be trouble. Unless Fred is ignoring staff advice, it appears his staff is out of touch, maybe spending too much time on fundraising and not enough on campaigning. If Fred doesn’t get it together, it’s hello Rudy/Hillary.
12 posted on 10/21/2007 12:26:24 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: codercpc; NautiNurse

NautiNurse was there and reported very much the same thing!


13 posted on 10/21/2007 12:29:40 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Prokopton
I have been very critical of Fred, but I have been complimentary of his wife, so where the Hell is she?

I thought she was supposed to be a GOP stratigist, yet unless his campaign steps up, this could go down as one of the biggest failures of a campaign since Mondale.

14 posted on 10/21/2007 12:32:40 PM PDT by codercpc
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To: Guenevere; mission9; NautiNurse

mission9 started this thread as a general overview, and came away with the same impression.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914146/posts


15 posted on 10/21/2007 12:34:49 PM PDT by codercpc
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To: codercpc

16 posted on 10/21/2007 12:48:37 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: codercpc

What can I say, other than other’s are saying what I have been saying. Thompson is an empty suit.


17 posted on 10/21/2007 12:56:09 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: codercpc
For a rudy bot with his head up the cross dresser, does the air smell different when you remove your head?
18 posted on 10/21/2007 1:49:44 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Prokopton
I said this from day 1. I was trying to get involved in his campaign in the summer, but no one returns calls; there is zero organization in Ohio (a KEY state for the general election), and there were constant upheavals in his staff. Not good.

I'm getting VERY concerned that McCain seems to be benefitting from all this. I will hold my nose and vote for Rudy or Romney, but McCain is unbalanced, and I would be deeply concerned about him having the "finger on the button."

19 posted on 10/21/2007 4:57:06 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: dano1

There is no way Fred will maintain his current standing in the polls the way he is lazing around doing next to nothing. The Fred-heads have their talking point at the ready, ‘They must be really scared of him to attack him like that’ or ‘It’s part of a master plan, just you wait...’ too blind or scared to see that the ‘attacks’ are just legitimate descriptions of the facts.

It’s going to be a hard fall off the bandwagon for some, others will ride to the crashing end.


20 posted on 10/21/2007 8:14:28 PM PDT by Grig
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To: LS

I was much more impressed with Fred last night. I thought he did a good job, but I think Mike Huckabee may outshine him in the publicity this week. We will wait and see.


21 posted on 10/22/2007 3:31:58 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: codercpc

Early reaction on FOX was that Fred did ok, they quoted Huckabee, had McClame’s comments about Romney, and that Rudy did well.


22 posted on 10/22/2007 6:27:39 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: WVNan
In watching Fred T. I get the sense that he doesn’t truly want to be president. Can you imagine a person becoming a doctor if that person had no deep desire to be a doctor?

This has become the conventional MSM message and wisdom. Don't believe it. I thought Fred did very well last night, especially his response at the end of the debate about him being "lazy." I see him emerging as the consensus candidate in a brokered convention. I don't think any candidate is going to have the votes to be elected on the first ballot. Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, and McCain will emerge as the top primary vote winners with Huckabee capable of drawing a significant number of votes as well. Then there will be deal making at the convention to determine who is best to represent the party, which is why I don't believe that Giuliani will get the nomination.

I think this crap about Fred not having the "fire in the belly" started from the Dems and the MSM as a way to discredit Thompson because of his "late" entry into the race. In fact, in normal times, candidates didn't enter until after Labor Day. For a guy who got a late start, he is doing quite well.

23 posted on 10/22/2007 6:36:58 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar; dano1; vetsvette; codercpc; Swordfished; LS; libstripper; WVNan; Prokopton; Guenevere; ...
Guys, it is time for us to send all the vanity campaigns back to whence they came. Unless you are comfortable with a Giuliani campaign. It is my assessment that a Giuliani nomination will fracture our coalition. We cannot allow this to happen. Please let us agree among ourselves upon an acceptable candidate.
Mitt Romney made a very solid, Presidential performance this week. He will win in Iowa, and New Hampshire, and place well in South Carolina. If we keep flirting with all the dark horses, Rudy will win. If I can swallow a small amount of pride and back him, I know that you can, for the sake of our UNION, you can too.
24 posted on 10/22/2007 10:28:21 AM PDT by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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To: mission9

Sorry....but I’m not ready to concede Duncan Hunter.


25 posted on 10/22/2007 11:00:17 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: codercpc

Yes, I heard he did well. Didn’t see it, or hear clips yet.


26 posted on 10/22/2007 11:00:34 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: mission9
My choices, in order, are Fred, Rudy, Mitt. I cannot back McCain because I think he is mentally unbalanced, and would truly fear for a "crazy moment." Of the other guys, they have no chance.

I do not think Rudy will "fracture" anything. Some won't like him and will help try to elect Hillary by sitting home; but if you go to the "wideawakes" pro-Rudy Republican board, you will see similar sentiments about any pro-life/social conservative. It is my view that the LARGE majority on each site will eventually support the nominee, and the others, well, to heck with them.

I agree Mitt will likely win IA and NH; but given Super Tuesday and FL, Rudy only has to not get creamed in these early few primaries to win. Once he is into NY, CT, PA, NJ, CA, he'll mop up.

Therefore, I think Fred's ONLY hope is to win early, perhaps SC and to come in second in at least one other. But be prepared. Fred will NOT play will in the northeast, and so far he hasn't done much in OH. If he can score one early win, and several second place finishes, he has a chance. Mitt absolutely MUST win both IA and NH or he is finished; Rudy will be the most resilient of all, because his strength is NOT in the early primaries.

27 posted on 10/22/2007 11:05:47 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: kabar
kabar, I know that the MSM has been saying all that, but that is not why I think it. I have been watching him very very closely because I really wanted to be able to support him. What I have seen so far is not someone who can defeat the witch in a debate where (without a doubt) the liberal media will "set up" the GOP candidate. It's going to take someone who is slick enough to catch the setup and turn it around. I don't see that in Fred. I still think Mitt is the only one who can do that.

A Zogby poll I saw today was interesting concerning the women's vote. Mitt is attractive to women in both parties. I wish Duncan Hunter had enough of the "it" factor to make the grade, but he just couldn't seem to get off the ground.

Lord knows I'm no expert in these matters, I simply go by my woman's intuition about people. I'm usually pretty good at "reading" people.

28 posted on 10/22/2007 4:48:33 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: mission9

So far Romney is the one I see as viable. He may be a little too slick, but people seem to like slick (bill). Polls say that women like Mitt. I like his experience as a CEO and Gov. He seems to be competent and I think he can go toe to toe with hillary.


29 posted on 10/22/2007 4:51:38 PM PDT by WVNan
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