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To: NativeNewYorker
Given that crime began to drop under Dinkins, how on earth can you not say his policies had something to do with the drop in crime in New York? Just because he is a Democrat?

And, what did Rudy ever do to clean up crime, other than assault Second Amendment rights?

88 posted on 10/22/2007 3:57:21 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky
If you were actually interested in facts, I'd bother doing your research for you.

Again, it is quite valid to criticize Rudy's stances on guns, abortion, etc. But it is akin to 9/11 "truther" thinking to argue he did not actually accomplish some good in NYC during his tenure. If you and like-minded folks want to drive anyone with direct knowledge of the facts out of the GOP, keep up the mantra. And don't come crying to us when you wonder where your electoral votes went.

Bash Rudy on his positions, but don't insult others by misrepresenting things he actually did.

89 posted on 10/22/2007 4:13:13 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Ol' Sparky
And, what did Rudy ever do to clean up crime, other than assault Second Amendment rights?

Well, for one thing, Giuliani turned to professor James Q. Wilson's "broken window theory": that one broken window in a building only invites more windows to be broken.

Taking a cue from that, Giuliani got the police department to go after low-level "street nuisance" crimes and misdemeanors that were destroying life in the city. The prime example is the "squeegee men" who would descend upon drivers at intersections, try to wash your car windows, demand payment for doing so, and get belligerent if you refused. Also panhandlers, etc.

By taking steps to restore civil order at the lowest levels, the public perception began to change, to turn to almost being optimistic about the city's future.

He was also able to initiate police procedures that improved the cops' ability to put a dent in serious crimes, as well.

I've never been a lover of the big cities, New York City in particular. I have worked there regularly since 1979, in and out of Manhattan and also for a number of years in the Oak Point/Hunts Point area of the South Bronx. So I'm not a New Yorker per se. But I have seen the changes that the Giuliani administration wrought there, and they were amazing.

Who could ever have thought that the city of the Dinkins era - a crumbling, hopeless, "ungovernable" place - could enjoy a new Rennaissance?

- John

122 posted on 10/24/2007 5:55:47 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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