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To: LiveFree99

> Sorry, you haven’t explained why it would be reasonable to expect that Giuliani would be better than Clinton on the war and foreign policy. Exactly how would their policies be different? Say what you want about Clinton, but as co-president she at least had the balls to attack five, count ‘em, five foreign countries.

Presumably we can agree that attacking many foreign countries is not necessarily a good foreign policy. As far as how I think they differ, here are a couple of examples:

1. Giuliani states that he will persevere in Iraq, Afghanistan and the general War on Terror until victory. Clinton promises to withdraw troops as soon as a face saving method is found.
2. Giuliani stated that the only think worse than attacking Iran is Iran with a nuclear weapon. Clinton stated that the only thing worse that Iran with a nuclear weapon is attacking Iran.

These are two very direct comparisons. You may choose to believe him or not, but it is disingenuous to justify your dislike of Giuliani by claiming that there is no difference between him and Clinton. The only place where Giuliani’s and Clinton’s positions appear to match is on abortion. And even on abortion Giuliani’s stated policies with regard to possible Supreme Court nominees appear to be significantly different from Clinton’s.

I do not pretend to know how most voters will act. I do think it would be self-defeating to withhold a vote from a candidate who agrees with your positions, let us say, 50% of the time. Because you may well get a President who disagrees with your positions 100% of the time.


96 posted on 10/22/2007 7:47:44 PM PDT by bluejay
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To: bluejay
Oooh, so tough guy Rudy would "persevere in Iraq," huh? You still haven't given me any specifics about how Rudy would fight the wars or change strategies, mostly because this military and foreign policy ignoramus hasn't given any, at least, none that I know of.

As for the charming Mrs. Clinton, she has been making some tough sounding noises lately, as explored in this thread, "Clinton open to military action against Iran nukes":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1911927/posts

Now, granted she is a proven liar who will say anything to get elected, but if Rudy (God forbid!) is the nominee, he's going to have to get specific and lay out a program, if for no other reason than the DBM won't give him a pass.

But hey, I'm a reasonable guy and open to being impressed. For example, why doesn't Rudy promise, in order to secure the Homeland, to immediately complete a full double fence on BOTH our southern and northern borders, to quadruple the size of the Border Patrol, and to identify and deport all aliens residing here illegally? If he said that it might make me forget some of his more obnoxious liberal social policies, his lack of character, his lack of military experience, and his backstabbing of Pataki back in 1994, to name just a few of his little foibles.

97 posted on 10/22/2007 8:33:56 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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