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Melting Glacier Reveals Ancient Tree Stumps
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| 10-30-2007
Posted on 11/01/2007 10:28:47 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam; aculeus; dighton; Lijahsbubbe
The recently warming climate released the stumps from their icy tombs, Koch said. Oh the humanatree!
To: lepton; Deaf Smith
Another consideration is that the stumps could have been sheared/broken off at ground level.
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posted on
11/02/2007 2:54:16 AM PDT
by
TN4Liberty
(A liberal is someone who believes Scooter Libby should be in jail and Bill Clinton should not.)
To: blam
but no retreats that have pushed them back so far upstream as to expose these trees.
Well, there wasn't any glacier there when the trees grew!
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posted on
11/02/2007 3:14:12 AM PDT
by
visualops
(artlife.us)
To: TN4Liberty
Another consideration is that the stumps could have been sheared/broken off at ground level. Yes, but glacier ground level tends to be rather deeper than pre-glacier ground level - especially with 7,000 years of movement.
Unless...the guy is a pretty complete idiot and the stumps were churned around in the ice along with other stumps, and they are dating wood in the moraine and picking the oldest. It has happened before. I doubt it, but several things don't add up here.
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posted on
11/02/2007 5:47:23 AM PDT
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: TN4Liberty
"could have been sheared/broken off at ground level."
Glaciers ride on the ground and scrap up rock/dirt with them and pile them up elsewhere. Their full weight would not allow them to ride over a stump.
I think this is really a ice sheet.
To: Ragnar54
When things were warmer 7,000 years ago, there was not a city of 2,000,000 less than 40 miles from the glacier. Nor did Canadas largest port (Vancouver) exist then. Nor did the trans-Canada highway exist then. Nor were there various industrial developments (including forestry). All of these things contribute to local warming and forms of pollution (e.g., dust) that can contribute to a glacier melting. These local factors would have to be eliminated before it could be claimed that the globe is as warm now as it was 7,000 years ago, but âscientistsâ on the Global Warming gravy train are incredibly lazy. The fact that the Medieval Warm Period did not cause such an extensive retreat of the glacier all but proves that the cause is not Global Warming. There are several screwy things in the report, but yeah, even if you accept that the MWP was regional (Europe, North America and Siberia being the "region"), it still doesn't follow.
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posted on
11/02/2007 5:51:14 AM PDT
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
To: Names Ash Housewares
Can you give me the source for this graph, please?
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posted on
11/02/2007 6:32:12 AM PDT
by
RonF
To: Names Ash Housewares
To: 4FreeSpeach
One of the things misleading about that graph is the starting point of about 200 PPM.
It makes the current level of C02 seem very high at 380 PPM or so.
Well, past history shows a peak of 300 PPM even on that graph.
So were freaking out over an 80 PPM more then past few hundred thousand years of history shows?
And there are professionals that question the accuracy of the ice core data as well to begin with.
Bottom line though. There are large natural cycles that we have absolutely no control over.
To: GovernmentShrinker
No, 7,000 years is well within the realm of biblical Creationists. We don’t know how long Adam was in the garden before he fell.
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posted on
11/02/2007 12:26:08 PM PDT
by
Marie2
(I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
To: Names Ash Housewares
The first link I gave in my previous posting has this intriguing fact:
“For example, during the Ordovician Period 460 million years ago CO2 concentrations were 4400 ppm while temperatures then were about the same as they are today.”
That’s more than 10x today’s numbers and I suspect that since all we can measure today are averages over long periods of time, there were probably some quite significantly higher spikes over brief periods. So the CO2 concentration impacting temperature argument may not be the major driver of temperature.
To: blam; Old Professer; Thinkin' Gal
But if all they found were stumps then someone must have cut then down and probably burned all the wood turning it into carbon dioxide and brought on the ice age.After cutting down the trees they had to offer up dinosaurs for carbon offsets to the Algorasaurus co., hence the dinosaur bone pits.
To: milwguy
You don't even have to go back 7000 years. A mere 850 years ago, circa 1150, the mini-ice age forced the vikings to abandon settlements in present day Greenland, Iceland and Newfoundland. They were growing grapes in those currently frigid regions at the time. Collectively, the westernmost of the settlements were known as Vinland.
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posted on
12/13/2007 9:00:41 AM PST
by
Vigilanteman
(Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
To: blam
Wow, talk about “old growth” lumber... :-)
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posted on
12/13/2007 9:32:50 AM PST
by
mvpel
(Michael Pelletier)
To: blam
It appears that this article has been purged from Yahoo News.
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posted on
12/13/2007 9:36:54 AM PST
by
mvpel
(Michael Pelletier)
To: blam; All
No tree stumps, but co-inky-dentally, melting snow reveals other strange 'artifacts.' Youtube video shows this sat pix of a humongous rectangular object embedded in the snow in Greenland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iusq6j8cG1o#p3YNh4w1CEA
It seems to be a mystery to all the folks who made comments about it, but I'm sure there are more than a handful of folks here who will recognize what it is immediately.
To: blam
How can we have 7,000 year old trees when the earth is only 6,000 years old?
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posted on
12/13/2007 10:04:43 AM PST
by
trumandogz
(Hunter Thompson 2008)
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