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Kerry Spokesman Sets Limbaugh Straight on Swiftboat Smears (Classy mouthpiece, Jean-Francois)
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Posted on 11/12/2007 9:09:43 AM PST by Sub-Driver

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To: RDTF

don’t those staff members look thrilled to be listening to Jean? NOT! LOL!


301 posted on 11/12/2007 9:37:22 PM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42 - 12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: DBrow

National Review Online contributing editor Michael Novak is a neighbor of Captain Elliott’s, and he’s written a bit about the man, and a bit about why Captain Elliott and other SwiftVets had occasion to revise their opinions of Sen. John Kerry:

One of the most important of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth turns out to be a neighbor of mine, and so I’ve been lucky enough to have a few chats with him this summer. Captain George Elliott is a graduate of Annapolis, his back is still straight, and he deeply loves and honors the United States Navy. I want to keep what we talk about off the record, so as to not mix friendship with work. But there is one point I’ve learned from him that is so important to the ongoing debate, especially on the Kerry side (that is, the Big Media side), that I asked his permission to present it in public.

In recent days, I’ve heard at least three Kerry-supporting journalists say that the story of the Swift Boat Vets is crumbling. That certainly surprised me, so I listened carefully. One of the three or four instances they glancingly cited concerned Captain Elliott’s testimony on behalf of Kerry in the Senate campaign of 1996.

They have missed an absolutely crucial point. In 1996, Kerry was being accused by a journalist of having committed war crimes. Captain Elliott and others hated this charge with regard to anything that occurred under their command, and so, putting out of mind Kerry’s use of the same charge in 1971 against them and their fellows in Vietnam, these good men were willing to go to Boston “to defend the honor of the U.S. Navy,” this time in the person of John Kerry. Thus, Captain Elliott’s support of Kerry in 1996 does not contradict the criticism he makes now. And he is far from backing down in his support for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. He is painfully truthful himself, and is scrupulous in choosing his words.

That much I quote from Captain Elliott. What comes next is my own.

Close followers of this debate will know that the paperwork describing the actions on which Kerry’s Silver and Bronze Stars were originally based came from Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry’s reports, passed up until they came to Captain Elliott. The Navy system is based on the honor code.

Only when they read the accounts published in the campaign biographies by Douglas Brinkley and a team from the Boston Globe did Kerry’s superiors and peers, including Captain Elliott, come to see how widely Kerry’s perception and self-serving descriptions differed from reality. Beginning then, they started to reevaluate everything they had heard from him back then. The man presented in those books was not the man they knew, and the events were not the events they knew. In wartime, one must trust one’s mates. After they saw those books, they saw what Kerry reported to them then in a new light.

I infer that Captain Elliott and others in 1969 took on trust some reports from Kerry, reports they can no longer consider as truthful as they thought them before.

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302 posted on 11/12/2007 9:37:26 PM PST by kcvl
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To: tina07

It’s certainly a good ‘caption this’ pic!


303 posted on 11/12/2007 9:38:52 PM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: RDTF

yes, it is!


304 posted on 11/12/2007 9:44:52 PM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42 - 12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: Bahbah
What! You mean Kerry did spend Christmas in Cambodia after all? (Heheheheh)

Not only that, but I also heard that Iowa Rat senator Tom Harkin, famous aviator during Vietnam war (in his own Rat mind), flew high cover for Kerry during that mission.

305 posted on 11/12/2007 9:59:25 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: Sub-Driver

Typical liberal defense, when you can explain evidence, attack the messenger.


306 posted on 11/12/2007 10:44:05 PM PST by Brytani
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To: Sub-Driver

Typical liberal - when you don’t have a reasonable or truthful response, then just rip the other guy.

The Clinton’s “politics of personal destruction” is alive and well.


307 posted on 11/12/2007 10:47:45 PM PST by CyberAnt (America: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

And .. we know who owns Media Matters = HILLARY CLINTON!


308 posted on 11/12/2007 10:49:24 PM PST by CyberAnt (America: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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To: weegee

How in the heck did you cut and paste that one in Photoshop?

Wonderful!


309 posted on 11/12/2007 10:54:28 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: Sub-Driver

Whew. Kerry is so.... yesterday.
Still, I will be forever grateful that the SBVT exposed Kerry for the phony he is. If Kerry had only cut himself shaving a few more times he could have had a fistful of Purple Hearts.


310 posted on 11/12/2007 11:07:13 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: CT

Hmmm..Opening in salvo in the battle for Iowa?


311 posted on 11/12/2007 11:15:11 PM PST by cardinal4 (http://artoriuscastus.blogspot.com/)
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To: Miss Didi

You know it and I know it.


312 posted on 11/12/2007 11:17:31 PM PST by SFConservative
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To: Sub-Driver

Too little, too late. This guy has a problem with getting over it and moving on. If he had become Prez, he never would have been able to handle a crisis with any expediency.


313 posted on 11/12/2007 11:24:06 PM PST by MHT
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To: Sub-Driver
"“At first I thought, that’s not Rush, that’s just the OxyContin talking. Nonetheless, this is a despicable but unsurprising new lie from a man whose closest brush with combat came when customs officials tried to take away his Viagra. This portly peddler of hate is once again wrong on the facts. John Kerry served his country with honor in Vietnam, and has fought for his fellow veterans ever since. The lies and smears of the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush were disproved conclusively in 2004 by the men who fought by John Kerry’s side in Vietnam, by the military’s own records, by investigative journalists, and by the incredible contradictions that exposed these right wing smear artists. It is long past time that we end the politics of fear and smear that we have seen used against decorated veterans from John McCain to Max Cleland and John Kerry. Rush Limbaugh’s ignorance and determination to divide Americans is just another reminder that you can’t spell ‘Rush Limbaugh’ without the letters L-I-A-R.”

good lord, as if it was cut and pasted right out of liberalism 101-A

314 posted on 11/13/2007 2:28:30 AM PST by sure_fine (• " not one to over kill the thought process " •)
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To: sure_fine
...good lord, as if it was cut and pasted right out of liberalism 101-A

Classic commie attack. Ridicule... insult... then clumsily attempt to reinforce lies.

315 posted on 11/13/2007 2:46:23 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Sub-Driver

It makes one wonder since Hillary’s stumbling, he might just see an opening to getting into the presidential race and needs to clear this nagging swiftboat thing up first. Just saying.


316 posted on 11/13/2007 4:07:18 AM PST by maxter
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To: Sub-Driver

...sounds like an 8-year old’s rant.


317 posted on 11/13/2007 5:34:36 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: CT

“his Form 180”

What would Kerry’s Form 180 specifically show? That he got a medal from a minor injury, or something to that effect?


318 posted on 11/13/2007 5:45:21 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: lady lawyer
But, it’s still speculation, as long as he won’t release his records.

No ma'am, it's NOT speculation. I was also in Viet Nam about the same time as Jean-Francois and know that the crap he spews is crap. I also can tell you first hand about the attitude Viet Nam vets faced when they came back thanks to the efforts of Fonda-Kerry.

Veterans weren't wanted in the private workplace and discrimination against Viet Nam vets was both rampant and accepted. Soldiers no more than 12 hours off the battlefields in Viet Nam were welcomed back to the US by people spitting on them. Do a little research and check out the anti-war, anti-military language used by the MSM at the time. Then, notice the subtle shift that started to occur in the 80s or 90s when, all of a sudden, being in Viet Nam was supposed to be an honorable and courageous thing. Crapola!! Kerry and the MSM make me ill!!

Don't try to pass off Kerry's lies, manipulations and distortions as mere "speculation"! The man is a pathological liar, fraud and traitor and the only credits he has to his entire sorry life is that he married well (rich widows) and has managed to keep dust from gathering on his otherwise mediocre and pointless senate seat.

319 posted on 11/13/2007 5:51:55 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711090008?f=h_latest

Hehehehe....check it out; all they do is attack the character of the Swifties. They do nothing to prove Jacques' "Vietnam Hero" claims.

320 posted on 11/13/2007 6:18:58 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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