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Was Hitler a Christian? [Dinesh D'Souza rebuts atheist canard]
Townhall ^ | November 5, 2007 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 11/13/2007 9:33:06 AM PST by rhema

Embarrassed at the murderous legacy of atheist Communist regimes in the twentieth century, leading atheists seek to even the score with believers by portraying Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime as theist and specifically Christian. Atheist websites routinely claim that Hitler was a Christian because he was born Catholic, he never publicly renounced his Catholicism, and he wrote in Mein Kampf, “By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Atheist writer Sam Harris writes that since “the Holocaust marked the culmination of…two hundred years of Christian fulminating against the Jews,” therefore “knowingly or not, the Nazis were agents of religion.”

How persuasive are these claims? Hitler was born Catholic just as Stalin was born into the Russian Orthodox Church and Mao was raised as a Buddhist. These facts prove nothing as many people reject their religious upbringing, as these three men did. From an early age, historian Allan Bullock writes, Hitler “had no time at all for Catholic teaching, regarding it as a religion fit only for slaves and detesting its ethics.”

How then do we account for Hitler’s claim that in carrying out his anti-Semitic program he was an instrument of divine providence? During his ascent to power, Hitler needed the support of the German people—both the Bavarian Catholics and the Prussian Lutherans—and to secure this he occasionally used rhetoric such as “I am doing the Lord’s work.” To claim that this rhetoric makes Hitler a Christian is to confuse political opportunism with personal conviction. Hitler himself says in Mein Kampf that his public statements should be understood as propaganda that bears no relation to the truth but is designed to sway the masses.

The Nazi idea of an Aryan Christ who uses the sword to cleanse the earth of the Jews—what historians call “Aryan Christianity”—was obviously a radical departure from the traditional Christian understanding and was condemned as such by Pope Pius XI at the time. Moreover, Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not religious, it was racial. Jews were targeted not because of their religion—indeed many German Jews were completely secular in their way of life—but because of their racial identity. This was an ethnic and not a religious designation. Hitler’s anti-Semitism was secular.

Hitler’s Table Talk, a revealing collection of the Fuhrer’s private opinions, assembled by a close aide during the war years, shows Hitler to be rabidly anti-religious. He called Christianity one of the great “scourges” of history, and said of the Germans, “Let’s be the only people who are immunized against this disease.” He promised that “through the peasantry we shall be able to destroy Christianity.” In fact, he blamed the Jews for inventing Christianity. He also condemned Christianity for its opposition to evolution.

Hitler reserved special scorn for the Christian values of equality and compassion, which he identified with weakness. Hitler’s leading advisers like Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich and Bormann were atheists who hated religion and sought to eradicate its influence in Germany.

In his multi-volume history of the Third Reich, historian Richard Evans writes that “the Nazis regarded the churches as the strongest and toughest reservoirs of ideological opposition to the principles they believed in.” Once Hitler and the Nazis came to power, they launched a ruthless drive to subdue and weaken the Christian churches in Germany. Evans points out that after 1937 the policies of Hitler’s government became increasingly anti-religious.

The Nazis stopped celebrating Christmas, and the Hitler Youth recited a prayer thanking the Fuhrer rather than God for their blessings. Clergy regarded as “troublemakers” were ordered not to preach, hundreds of them were imprisoned, and many were simply murdered. Churches were under constant Gestapo surveillance. The Nazis closed religious schools, forced Christian organizations to disband, dismissed civil servants who were practicing Christians, confiscated church property, and censored religious newspapers. Poor Sam Harris cannot explain how an ideology that Hitler and his associates perceived as a repudiation of Christianity can be portrayed as a “culmination” of Christianity.

If Nazism represented the culmination of anything, it was that of the nineteenth-century and early-twentieth century ideology of social Darwinism. As historian Richard Weikart documents, both Hitler and Himmler were admirers of Darwin and often spoke of their role as enacting a “law of nature” that guaranteed the “elimination of the unfit.” Weikart argues that Hitler himself “drew upon a bountiful fund of social Darwinist thought to construct his own racist philosophy” and concludes that while Darwinism is not a “sufficient” intellectual explanation for Nazism, it is a “necessary” one. Without Darwinism, there might not have been Nazism.

The Nazis also drew on the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, adapting his atheist philosophy to their crude purposes. Nietzsche’s vision of the ubermensch and his elevation of a new ethic “beyond good and evil” were avidly embraced by Nazi propagandists. Nietzsche’s “will to power” almost became a Nazi recruitment slogan. I am not for a moment suggesting that Darwin or Nietzsche would have approved of Hitler’s ideas. But Hitler and his henchmen approved of Darwin’s and Nietzsche’s ideas. Harris simply ignores the evidence of the Nazis’ sympathies for Darwin, Nietzsche, and atheism. So what sense can we make of his claim that the leading Nazis were “knowingly or unknowingly” agents of religion? Clearly, it is nonsense.

So in addition to the mountain of corpses that the God-hating regimes of Stalin, Mao, Pot Pot and others have produced, we must add the body count of the God-hating Nazi regime. The Nazis, like the Communists, deliberately targeted the churches and the believers because they wanted to create a new man and a new utopia freed from the shackles of traditional religion and traditional morality. In an earlier blog, I asked what is atheism’s contribution to civilization? One answer to that question: Genocide.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: atheist; badrap; christianity; dineshdsouza; dsouza; evangelicalatheists; hitler; nazi; nazireligion; postivechristianity; redherrings
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To: rhema

The fact that atheists even run with the “Hitler was a Christian” line in the first place shows that they are not nearly as “bright” as they think themselves to be.


21 posted on 11/13/2007 10:35:28 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: rhema
Two of Hitler's close associates - who where among the few who survived the war and the Nuremberg trials - provide the final word on this. Both Speer and Bormann published books with Hitlers actual words on which Religon inspired him. It was not Christianity.... but Islam

Martin Bormann's (Nazi Chancellor) "TABLE TALKS 1941-1944" are the transcripts of Hitler's conversations. It contains this Hilter quote from 8/21/42:

"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers—already you see the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity!—then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."

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Albert Speer Minister for Armaments wrote in his "Inside the Third Reich" the following:
'Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans had attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.'

'Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japansese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"'

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In short, Hitler despised Christianity as a weakling Jewish influence Religion, but he admired Islam and bemoaned the fact the Islam did not conquer all of Europe in the 8th century.
22 posted on 11/13/2007 10:48:47 AM PST by drpix
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To: rhema

Christian is as Christian does. Hitler was no Christian.


23 posted on 11/13/2007 10:51:42 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: rhema

Christian is as Christian does. Hitler was no Christian.


24 posted on 11/13/2007 10:52:01 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: rhema

You Mean Hitler Wasn’t A Priest?
The truth is, in fact, out there.
http://www.nationalreview.com/shiflett/shiflett012102.shtml


25 posted on 11/13/2007 10:54:17 AM PST by VOA
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To: rhema
Hitler claimed Christ was the son of a Roman Centurion and a Jewish prostitute. That’s not exactly Christian doctrine.

Heydrich planned to infiltrate Catholic seminaries with Hitler Youth/ SS and subvert the Church from within. Hitler said he would settle up with the Church after the War, especially after Cardinal Gehlen’s and others’ sermons from the pulpit helped galvanize opposition to the T4 program [euthanasia], forcing Hitler to shut it down.

26 posted on 11/13/2007 10:54:18 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: rhema

CORRECTION: Jewish influence Religion = Jewish influenced Religion


27 posted on 11/13/2007 10:54:24 AM PST by drpix
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To: AnAmericanMother

Oh, I definitely agree. It’s not too different from the Spanish “viva!”


28 posted on 11/13/2007 10:55:42 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: rhema
Everyone knows Hitler was Frizbeetarian.

He believed if you're bad, your soul lands on the roof and you can never get it down.

29 posted on 11/13/2007 10:57:10 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: rhema

People can consider themselves anything they want, but it doesn’t make it necessarily so.


30 posted on 11/13/2007 10:58:11 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: rhema

Why was Hitler ticked at Himmler for spending so much time and money
on the Ahnenerbe (ancestoral research looking for Aryan culture around
the globe)?

Because Hitler was afraid that the plan to end Christianity (after
killing of Judaism) would get too much publicity. And the world might
realize that Himmler’s plan was to cobble together a “religion”
based on old pagan traditions that would replace Christianity.

This and lots of other great stuff about those wild-and-crazy
Nazis are in this well-documented book.

MASTER PLAN, THE: HIMMLER’S SCHOLARS AND THE HOLOCAUST
by Heather Pringle
http://www.amazon.com/MASTER-PLAN-HIMMLERS-SCHOLARS-HOLOCAUST/dp/0786887737/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-9427455-5875964?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194980119&sr=8-1


31 posted on 11/13/2007 10:59:34 AM PST by VOA
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To: Slapshot68

More importantly Hitler, Mao and Stalin were all like todays liberals! Gods only unto themselves!


32 posted on 11/13/2007 11:02:37 AM PST by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!)
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To: rhema
Word for Word/The Case Against the Nazis; How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity
33 posted on 11/13/2007 11:03:53 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: rhema
Hitler was into the occult and was no Christian.

As a matter of fact the Church was one of the things the nazi's were set on destroying.

34 posted on 11/13/2007 11:05:50 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: rhema

A distant relative of mine was a confirmation sponsor for Hitler. When Hitler didn’t show up on time for church, he went looking for him. When he found him, he grabbed Hitler by the ear and drug him screaming to church.

Hitler was no christian.


35 posted on 11/13/2007 11:09:50 AM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: elpadre
Hitler definitely was a Catholic in his childhood. I once ran across a German Who's Who from the mid-1930s which had an entry for him (not in the alphabetical place but at the front of the volume) and it listed his religion as "katolisch." Obviously he had ceased to be a Catholic in any meaningful sense, but evidently still found it useful to have himself listed as one.
36 posted on 11/13/2007 11:11:29 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Moose4
Hitler was somewhat under the sway of Alfred Rosenberg, who was anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and an outspoken pagan.

In "The Ultra Spy" British spy F.W. Winterbotham recounts how Rosenberg proudly took him to a Hitler Youth pagan solstice celebration. He describes in detail how the boys circled the top of an ancient keep, raising their daggers to the sun god in a "pagan ritual" and finally giving a "great shout." Winterbotham concluded "The whole thing was in deadly earnest" as I recall.
37 posted on 11/13/2007 11:20:36 AM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: rhema
It is more than a little ironic that we Christians who normally rejoice over the fact that one has become a Christian, are here now vehemently arguing how someone could never be a Christian.

We are all sinners. Are Hitler's sins any greater than my sins? Is killing 6 million Jews any worse than wishing death to all Wahhabi Mooslems? It only takes one sin to damn us to hell. Isn't His blood and His grace sufficient to cover all sin?

I am not arguing if Hitler was a Christian or not, I am arguing that this is a silly debate for Christians to fall for.

38 posted on 11/13/2007 11:23:06 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Between the Lines
" Is killing 6 million Jews any worse than wishing death to all Wahhabi Mooslems?

If you can ask that question, you are morally clueless - whatever your religion may be.

39 posted on 11/13/2007 11:28:49 AM PST by drpix
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To: drpix
" Is killing 6 million Jews any worse than wishing death to all Wahhabi Mooslems? If you can ask that question, you are morally clueless - whatever your religion may be.

Try reading Matthew 5.

40 posted on 11/13/2007 11:32:55 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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