Posted on 11/25/2007 5:58:15 PM PST by Travis McGee
Thank you Porterville...you are my kind of person. I am so sick of these doom and gloom scenarios.
BS. We don't need to import high school dropouts to keep our economy going. Read this, you may learn something about the demographic impact of immigration, legal and illegal.
Hey, I’m entitled to be grumpy at times. My problem is that I remember the times when America had some control over our borders and English was spoken by the majority. Oh, they were definitely not Canadians. They shop at the up-scale malls and this one was for the lower wage scales, like mine (another reason to be grumpy).
Yep, that's why they are cheap labor....
I'm not saying it's not a problem, I'm not saying it's a good thing.
I'm saying that the boomers didn't have enough kids and we have to import cheap labor. Social pathologies come with that cheap labor.
The articles lament that fact and suggest no alternative source of cheap labor.
The the boomers didn't have enough kids and instead of little Sally and John busing tables and washing patients, it's Maria and Juan.
The immigrant invasion is the fruit of the 'Baby Bust'.
Oh, Travis is either on a roll or off his meds this week.
First of all, the labor is cheap only for the employer. The taxpayer must subsidize all of the other costs and the long term impact will be a Balkanization of the country along linguistic and cultural lines, i.e, the end of this country as we know it.
The US has the highest annual population growth rate of any developed country in the world [.89%] and our birth rate is 2.09 or at replacement levels. Even if we stopped all immigration tomorrow, we would still increase our population by 62 million.
You obviously didn't read or didn't comprehend the article I linked to you about the demograhic impact of immigration and how it affects the labor pool. Check out the sections on the impact on an aging society, especially just changing the retirement age from 65 to 68 and what effect that has on the availability of workers. Also, at the current level of net immigration (1.25 million a year), 61 percent of the nation’s population will be of working age (15-66) in 2060, compared to 60 percent if net immigration were reduced to 300,000 a year.
There are 54 million Americans of working age [15-66] who aren't working. They are in school, stay at home moms, disabled, etc. but many of the jobs filled by illegal aliens are because of the economics involved, not the availability of labor. The employer does not have to pay high salaries, benefits, SS, etc. to what amounts to slave labor. They realize the bottom line benefit, but people are not widgets that can be disposed of. The societal costs are enormous. You can drink the Chamber of Commerce Kool-aid about worker shortages, but the only real shortage is exploitable, disposable slave labor.
In October, unemployment rates for the major worker groups--adult men (4.3 percent), adult women (4.1 percent), teenagers (15.6 percent), whites (4.2 percent), blacks (8.5 percent), and Hispanics (5.6 percent)--showed little or no change. The unemployment rate for Asians was 3.7 percent, not seasonally adjusted.
It's not like those 65-68 are going to be picking oranges and grapes for the wages an illegal will work for....
Futhermore, look at the actual birthrate data: It ain't white women keeping us at replacement levels, and it's not the more educated reproducing. Successful educated white folks are afraid of having kids.
“...... the long term impact will be a Balkanization of the country along linguistic and cultural lines....”
.....I hope you’re right....that’s a nicer outlook than my own which is a Balkan style civil war.....multicultural/multiracial empires have a way of coming apart with great violence...wars of secesion and partition are a global reality....turn on the news any day of the week and you will hear...”sharp fighting was reported today between government troops and rebels in the break-away state of (fill in the blank)”....how long before that statement applies to us?
See: Thomas Chittum’s “Civil War Two”
The civil conflict that Pat is predicting would have to have a precipitating event - a dramatic economic turn down equivalent of the Great Depression, for example. This country has enormous resilience. We've weathered a Civil War, many deep recessions, 9/11, etc. Also, Pat's view is that the future is simply an extrapolation of the present which it generally isn't. While it is true that we have cultural and political chasms, that which unites us is much greater than that which divides. I don't think one can predict the future very accurately, but I would bet on America long before China or any other country. We will overcome all the challenges and still remain the greatest country of all time.
If it were not for the low-ball swipe, your comment would have had no content at all. But thanks for joining in.
He is not one of my favorite people, but I am afraid he may be right.
“In my book, if the Southern Policy Law Center lists you as an enemy, I am at least provisionally ready to accept you as a friend.”
Including the KKK? LOL
Travis, I may disagree with you, and you do annoy me, but it doesn't give me leave to be impolite to you. My appologies for not including you in my comment.
FR is not a lockstep place. I am hardly surprised to see that someone like yourself would pop up to support the race pimp Morris Dees and his Southern Policy Law Center for the perpetual bludgeoning of conservatives as “racist.” Nice to see you.
The one thing that is common about these groups is that they all make money off of immigration, much of it paid by the US Taxpayers.
So while we have to take our spare time and our own money to fight them, it’s their jobs to do what they do and they do it using our money.
Here’s what they say:
Agenda items include
“Immigration Eligibility of Public Benefits 101”
“Taking the offensive in support of immigrant rights”
“Barriers to public benefits 101”
“Preserving access to Emergency Medicaid”
“Lessons Learned from Raids”
“From ‘Family Unity’ to ‘Chain Migration’ “
“Advocatiing for Language Access”
Breakfast Plenary
“Joining Forces: Building on the power of African-Americans
and Immigrant Communities”
“Countering the Rise of Nativist Influence”
“What’s LAW got to do with it? How Organizers
and Lawyers collaborate to advance social justice.”
“Securing SSI for Humanitarian Immigrants and Other Noncitizens”
“Litigation and Policy Strategies Challenging State and Local Anti-Immigrant Measures”
“Organizing and Advocacy Efforts for Guest Workers”
“Keeping the DREAM (Act) Alive: Next Steps”
It’s a tough fight and as usual, they plan on winning in the courts; not by winning over the American people. We are the enemy to these guys. And we must battle them on every front.
Can’t argue with any of his complaints/criticisms, and I like a lot of his suggestions for reform. But his predictions for the future can be taken with a grain of salt.
Like what? Last I heard, America was busy moving the manufacture of all things American off-shore. Yea yea, jumbo jets and heavy equipment. I dont know how that's going to support the economy but I'm sure you can tell me.
You are conflating things ~conceived~ in American with things ~manufactured~ in America. It is an important distinction to observe.
What are you talking about??? I never said I supported the Southern Policy Law Center. My message was that it would be dogmatically foolish to consider making friends with ANYONE that the Law Center is opposed to—for example, the KKK. I am saying that despite my dislike for the Law Center’s views, I don’t automatically consider friendship with someone simply on the basis of their opposition to the Law Center.
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