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Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants
ClickonDetroit ^ | December 6, 2007 | AP

Posted on 12/06/2007 5:29:42 AM PST by ShadowDancer

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To: Philly Nomad
Four drinks, three or four times a week, fifty weeks a year...fresh as a flower? And you don't feel icky the next morning?

Funny, you sound like every drunk I know.

161 posted on 12/07/2007 9:25:50 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: Philly Nomad
No, this is going to be a great blessing for the Bars

Really? This guy would beg to differ.

Bangor landmark's closure blamed on smoking ban

162 posted on 12/07/2007 9:37:21 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: GOP_Lady

Good post! I go to some of those bars they list as violaters. You will never see these gutless, smoke nazi wimps whine out loud at these bars as they are the ones in the minority.


163 posted on 12/07/2007 9:57:10 AM PST by ohioman
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To: GOP_Lady
Good God.

What a bunch of Stalinists.

They make my skin crawl.

164 posted on 12/07/2007 2:26:52 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Martins kid; GOP_Lady
Just wondering.

What's your screen name on the Ohio rat line SmokeChoke.com?

165 posted on 12/07/2007 3:09:27 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

Never heard of the site until just now. All I said was that the restaurants in this area are fuller and seem to be doing a great business. In fact they are building more restaurants in our town.


166 posted on 12/07/2007 5:02:49 PM PST by Martins kid
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To: Madame Dufarge
Yeah, did every other bar closed down? Are there no bars left in Maine.

No, the other bars were able to adapt and thrive, the incompetent businessmen blame the government for their own failings.

Here’s how every businessman works:
Success: I’m a genius!!! I work hard!!!
Failure: It’s somebody else’s fault!! The Government!! China!! Wal-Mart!!

167 posted on 12/07/2007 5:16:52 PM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad
Yeah, did every other bar closed down? Are there no bars left in Maine. No, the other bars were able to adapt and thrive, the incompetent businessmen blame the government for their own failings.

What's your opinion on increasing the minimum wage by another 3 bucks? What about requiring all "big box" retailers to provide top-notch medical insurance to all employees? Neither of these ideas would completely destroy the economy, and at least some workers would be helped.

My guess is that as a conservative, you would not support these ideas, and with good reason. Just because a government intervention is not fatal doesn't mean it can't still be harmful and thus a bad idea.

Look at the debate over the increase in the minimum wage. Whenever the MW is increased, the economy does not spiral into a depression. In fact, sometimes the economy even improves (due largely to countervailing trends such as productivity gains or tax cuts). Even still, nearly every economist will tell you that increasing the minimum wage is a stupid, counterproductive idea...even if it isn't fatal.

As conservatives, I don't believe our mindset should be "let's keep burdening businesses with arbitrary government meddling to see how much they can withstand." Rather, our mindset should be "let's leave business alone to make their own decisions, and interfere only when it is absolutely necessary."

After all, if you keep piling on to private enterprises, eventually you'll get an economy like that in most European nations...functioning, but not nearly as vibrant and efficient as it could be.

168 posted on 12/07/2007 6:04:04 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: Philly Nomad
You people should get a different script.

It's gotten really old.

169 posted on 12/07/2007 6:13:54 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Martins kid
Wow!

There's a tsunami of new businesses in town since the pencil-necked geeks have gained the ascendancy.

170 posted on 12/07/2007 6:16:56 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

You are so bitter. I hope things get better and you have a Merry Christmas.


171 posted on 12/07/2007 7:07:26 PM PST by Martins kid
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To: ShadowDancer

This is just the beginnging. Next is a ban of alhohol in bars and a ban on eatng in restaurants.


172 posted on 12/07/2007 7:10:19 PM PST by TonyM (E)
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To: Rita Hayworth
None of those things leave a lingering stench.

For some of us it is the smell of freedom.

I love to walk into a restaurant or bar and be met by the fragrance of first and second-hand tobacco smoke.

It is a sign that I won't be castigated for my choice of adult beverages or menu items.

Some people have a "live-and-let-live" mindset and some people don't.

173 posted on 12/07/2007 7:12:24 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Martins kid
All I said was that the restaurants in this area are fuller and seem to be doing a great business.

No such word as "fuller", unless you are talking about the brush company.

174 posted on 12/07/2007 7:14:05 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Martins kid
You are so clueless.

You think things are going swimmingly for you right now, but you just might get caught up in the Stalinist purge.

I won't care.

By the way, children interpret disagreement as "bitterness."

175 posted on 12/07/2007 7:14:07 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: elkfersupper

Now you’re thinking!


176 posted on 12/07/2007 8:05:33 PM PST by College Repub
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To: College Repub
Be careful what you ask for.

You might just get it, and more.

177 posted on 12/07/2007 8:12:27 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Madame Dufarge

I stand by my original statement. You are bitter because things are not going your way. Non-smoking restaurants are thriving and that is eating at you. Oh well. Go eat some fudge, and have a Merry Christmas.


178 posted on 12/07/2007 8:50:02 PM PST by Martins kid
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To: Madame Dufarge

Hello, Madame! Hope all is well with you. Yes, they got 100% of what they want and they are still whining like children. Unbelievable.


179 posted on 12/08/2007 6:14:20 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: timm22
Your posting is excellent. My answer, when asked where the line should be drawn is usually this: Since governments can only act through committing acts of violence, or threatening acts of violence, thereby restricting freedom, the proponents of any government action should be bearing the burden of proof that the action should be taken by the government. Instead, it seems that the opponents of a government action are forced to bear the burden proving a negative.

The intention of helping the poor, preserving the environment, or defeating some evil enemy, for example, is not enough. Questions would then need to be sufficiently answered before activities purporting to help the poor, preserve the environment, or defeat the evil enemy, should be instituted by the government, rather than by private organizations. Will the activities actually result in the poor being helped, the environment being preserved, or the evil enemy be defeated? How will the poor be helped, the environment be preserved, or evil enemy be defeated? Should the poor be helped, should the environment be preserved, or should the evil enemy be defeated? (These questions are not as stupid as modern conventional wisdom would seem to indicate.) Must the government help the poor, preserve the environment, or defeat the evil enemy, or can better results be obtained by private activities? Finally, are the peripheral or unintended results morally acceptable, and (not or) not too undesirable relative to the intended result? (for example, higher taxes, restriction of individual rights, interference in economic activity, destruction of property, injury or loss of life)?

If these answers cannot ALL be answered satisfactorily, then the activity should not be undertaken by the government, because, since freedom is such a high ideal, its restriction should be done with the greatest of care, and only for the most compelling of reasons.

180 posted on 12/08/2007 7:22:33 AM PST by Daveinyork
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