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Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants
ClickonDetroit ^ | December 6, 2007 | AP

Posted on 12/06/2007 5:29:42 AM PST by ShadowDancer

Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants

POSTED: 7:47 am EST December 6, 2007
UPDATED: 8:10 am EST December 6, 2007

Smoking in Michigan workplaces, including bars and restaurants, would be banned under legislation passed by the Democratic-led state House.

The vote is a victory for supporters, who have been pushing the measure for a decade.

But it may not get very far in the Senate because majority Republicans oppose it.

Backers say a majority of state residents want a broad workplace smoking ban, and point to the harmful effects of secondhand smoke on employees and patrons.

Opponents say smoking is legal and government shouldn't interfere with the rights of private property owners.

Casinos, horse tracks, bingo halls, cigar bars and smoke shops would be exempt from the smoking ban.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: hooray; nannystate; pufflist; tobaccocausescancer
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1 posted on 12/06/2007 5:29:42 AM PST by ShadowDancer
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To: ShadowDancer

Was in Michigan this summer (visiting from New York).

My wife was astounded that they would offer us ashtrays in a bar.


2 posted on 12/06/2007 5:32:01 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: ShadowDancer; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ...

Nanny State Ping..........


3 posted on 12/06/2007 5:35:11 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: ShadowDancer

Another good example of how the Democrats know what’s best for you. Too bad your too dumb to realize it.


4 posted on 12/06/2007 5:36:19 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Sounds like my trip to Texas 20+ years ago. I was shocked to see ashtrays in the aisles of the grocery stores.


5 posted on 12/06/2007 5:37:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Brilliant

No, this is going to be a great blessing for the Bars. Since the Smoking Ban in New York, I’ve been able to stay out longer and not feel as bad the next day. So instead of just going out on a Thursday or Friday, I’d be able to go out for an after work drink or two on Monday/Tuesday or Wednesday.


6 posted on 12/06/2007 5:40:11 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: ShadowDancer

Compassionate Socialists? /sarcasm


7 posted on 12/06/2007 5:41:10 AM PST by PGalt
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To: ShadowDancer; grellis

MI ping..

so, any word on how many budget bills are still floating around?


8 posted on 12/06/2007 5:41:37 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: Philly Nomad
No, this is going to be a great blessing for the Bars

Tell that to my friends in Delaware who lost their jobs after the smoking ban, or the ones that owned bars.......oh wait, a lot of those bars no longer exist.

9 posted on 12/06/2007 5:44:26 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

Are there no bars left in Delaware? Of Course not, there are plenty.

Your friends were bad businessmen and just want to put the blame on somebody else.


10 posted on 12/06/2007 5:46:52 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Gabz

Didn’t seem to affect bars in Ohio. If someone wants a beer with friends they will still go to bars. And restaurants still have long waits.


11 posted on 12/06/2007 5:47:02 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: Philly Nomad

I’ve yet to see a single bar that considers this a blessing, except for the bars that border municipalities that ban smoking.

They did that in a small town near me, and the town immediately experienced significant loss of business. Meanwhile, the bars right next door, but not in the township, began seeing huge increases in business.

Nanny stateism, at its worst.


12 posted on 12/06/2007 5:48:14 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Philly Nomad
Your friends were bad businessmen and just want to put the blame on somebody else.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Believe what you wish, including the propaganda by the busybodies, I know better.

13 posted on 12/06/2007 5:49:00 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Martins kid
Didn’t seem to affect bars in Ohio.

That's not what people in Ohio are telling me, including non-smokers.

14 posted on 12/06/2007 5:50:47 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I’m sorry, I haven’t seen it.

My cousin owns a bar in philly and he’s seen no drop-off. The Bars I go to in NYC are all still going strong as if the ban has never happened.

Poorly run bars go out of business all the time, since America has lost the will to accept blame for one’s mistakes, they find a way to blame the government.

Maybe they can get al sharpton on the bandwagon.


15 posted on 12/06/2007 5:51:05 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

If so, then why don’t the bars just ban it on their own?


16 posted on 12/06/2007 5:52:39 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Martins kid

My brother ones a great bar/dinner in Florida when a no smoking ban took place. He hated the idea, said he’d lose business and go under. However, he’s still there, didn’t go under and his business actually increased. So I suppose the fact of the matter is, people don’t like to smell cigerette smoke.


17 posted on 12/06/2007 5:56:41 AM PST by JamesA
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To: Philly Nomad
I also have friends from Delaware. They told me about places that were doing great until this ban. Many became private clubs to get an exemption. Those that couldn’t went under.
18 posted on 12/06/2007 5:57:33 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: JamesA

We noticed that the restaurants are fuller now for breakfast. There used to be a line waiting for the non-smoking section and empty seats in the smoking section - now it is all full.


19 posted on 12/06/2007 6:05:26 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: JamesA
...so, your brother likes the government telling him how to run HIS business? This isn't a matter of health, this is an issue of choice and government intrusion.

It's really too bad we can't tell the government how to operate.

20 posted on 12/06/2007 6:06:25 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (No Longer white...I'm Caucasion-American...Please make note)
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