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Colorado gunman scared co-workers 5 years ago, one says
CNN ^ | 10DEC07 | CNN

Posted on 12/10/2007 7:29:48 PM PST by familyop

Matthew Murray was kicked out of a missionary training program five years ago for strange behavior...Murray performed a pair of dark rock songs at a concert at the mission that made fellow workers "pretty scared,"...which included a song by rock band Linkin Park...Werner, of Balneario Camborius, Brazil, said he had a bunk near Murray's and that Murray would roll around in bed and make noises. "He would say, 'Don't worry, I'm just talking to the voices,' " Werner said. "He'd say, 'Don't worry, Richard. You're a nice guy. The voices like you.' "

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; armedcitizen; banglist; christian; fps; homeschool; murray; park; rkba; ywam
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To: Youngblood

“You’re calling us naive?!!”

Not exactly, but I’m definitely tired of seeing cases of obvious spiritual oppression attributed to “chemical imbalances in the brain”...


21 posted on 12/10/2007 8:13:47 PM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: PAR35

I don’t know about that. I was homeschooled and commented on the previous thread about how I thought this guy might be an extreme case of the homeschool rebel that had turned his back on Christianity and everything that his parents believed. However, it sounds like he had much worse problems than simple rebellion and bitterness.


22 posted on 12/10/2007 8:14:05 PM PST by dschapin
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To: PAR35

Because this has nothing to do with home schooling. The guy was 24 years old. How is home schooling pertinent (other than as a liberal “narrative”)?


23 posted on 12/10/2007 8:16:51 PM PST by twntaipan (To say someone is a liar and a Democrat is to be redundant.)
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To: familyop
You were right..."just" "nuts" ping!

Reminds me of one of my favorite "Far Side" cartoons.
In which the viewer is able to see over the psychiatrist's
shoulder as he writes his notes...and the patient on the couch is
happily yakking away.

Scrawled in large, expressive handwriting, one can see the shrink's assessment:

JUST PLAIN NUTS!!!!
24 posted on 12/10/2007 8:19:09 PM PST by VOA
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To: familyop

I can’t wait for the militant homeschoolers to claim this one....


25 posted on 12/10/2007 8:20:25 PM PST by r9etb
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To: familyop

Ping for later


26 posted on 12/10/2007 8:20:45 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Kurt Evans

“Spiritual oppression”? Who oppressed his spirit?

The guy was a psychotic sociopath. You don’t need higher or lower powers to explain it.


27 posted on 12/10/2007 8:21:56 PM PST by Youngblood
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To: twntaipan
How is home schooling pertinent (other than as a liberal “narrative”)?

It's potentially pertinent if the "why and how" of the homeschooling decision has anything to do with how he turned out. I'm guessing that his parents (described as very, very religious) made the homeschooling decision out of fear of what "the world" would do to their boy. If he was unstable to begin with, and they pushed him too hard and over the edge, "homeschooling" may well be a factor.

28 posted on 12/10/2007 8:23:59 PM PST by r9etb
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To: familyop
You’re just jealous because the voices are talking to me...
29 posted on 12/10/2007 8:25:40 PM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: dschapin
I thought this guy might be an extreme case of the homeschool rebel that had turned his back on Christianity and everything that his parents believed. However, it sounds like he had much worse problems than simple rebellion and bitterness.

The ultimate rebellion is to cast one's lot with the ultimate Rebel, the one who taught rebellion to Adam and Eve...

30 posted on 12/10/2007 8:26:37 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised.)
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To: Kurt Evans
The voices don't like you...
31 posted on 12/10/2007 8:26:54 PM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: Aaron0617
any article say where he got his guns or the grenades from? just curious.
32 posted on 12/10/2007 8:30:56 PM PST by Aaron0617
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To: familyop; Dog Gone; Dark Wing; Shermy
My information is that the perp had exhibited dangerous/threatening behavior for years but a relatively wealthy and well-connected family had kept it from being handled officially. This is very, very similar to an incident earlier in Colorado which you might have heard of, called the "Columbine High School Massacre".

There a group of well-connected bullies terrorized other students with impunity, due to spineless police, local government and school authorities, until two of their victims snapped.

Something definitely stinks in Colorado. It looks more and more like place not to raise a family.

33 posted on 12/10/2007 8:32:25 PM PST by Thud
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To: PAR35

Oh, please! Every time a homeschooler is involved in a crime, the MSM touts it like crazy. How often do you see news coverage which says, “This criminal was a public school student.” Sheesh! There are families who are crazy who homeschool for the wrong reasons. Please don’t paint us all with the same brush.


34 posted on 12/10/2007 8:34:20 PM PST by rejoicing (that God is in charge, guys.)
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To: null and void

“Null and void” wrote: “The voices don’t like you...”

I’m well aware of that. They’ll pretend when it suits their purposes, but in reality they don’t like any of us.


35 posted on 12/10/2007 8:34:24 PM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: null and void
My son has a t-shirt which says:

"yoU're juSt jeAlouS tHe vOicEs tAlk To mE"

36 posted on 12/10/2007 8:35:08 PM PST by Thud
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To: lightman

Agreed - its just beyond what I was initially thinking.


37 posted on 12/10/2007 8:38:18 PM PST by dschapin
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To: r9etb

This guy graduated from home schooling over six years previously. He is soley responsible for his actions now. The homeschooling connection is really only relevant in that people who come from conservative christian families and then rebel often times end up the worst of the lot. Kind of like Stalin who trained to become a priest before he rebelled and became a militant communist atheist.


38 posted on 12/10/2007 8:42:40 PM PST by dschapin
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To: Youngblood

“Youngblood” wrote: “’Spiritual oppression’? Who oppressed his spirit?”

Fallen angels, also known as evil spirits or demons.


39 posted on 12/10/2007 8:42:43 PM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: Kurt Evans

Don’t go there. There is enough true evil in this world. Not everyone has a perfect body that works forever. We start ending it in the first nine months. Once, if we are born we might not make it out of the NICU.


40 posted on 12/10/2007 8:43:15 PM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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