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To: JasonC
If they approve of torture, what exactly is innocent about them?

Total red herring, and you know it. I honestly don't know what you're doing here at FR. You need to go join your buddies in the "blame America first, we're all guilty, I don't care whether a few thousand innocent American schoolchildren die or not, *I'm* opposing the waterboarding of the eeeevil Bush regime" crowd over at DU. They miss you.

41 posted on 12/13/2007 7:39:57 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
I don't blame America, which I do not confuse with you.

There are plenty of innocent Americans in the matter - they all disagree with you about torture. And you just aren't one of them.

As for the Bush adminstration, I am willing to be corrected, but my understanding is that they agreed to McCain and Warner's objections, enough to suspend such things in practice. Which is what was wanted.

I also suggest you review the history of France in Algeria and how exactly they lost that war. You will find political divisions on the home front the decisive field, and that torture hurt on that decisive front, in ways that ultimately outweighed any good it did on the front lines.

But such practicalities aside, you have a more basic lesson to learn. You can't get the devil working for your side. He's got his own.

44 posted on 12/13/2007 2:02:11 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
You need to go join your buddies ... over at DU. They miss you

This lame 3rd-grade tripe is the surest sign of a FReeper who hasn't got a rational point to make.

48 posted on 12/13/2007 2:22:48 PM PST by r9etb
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