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To: Wonder Warthog
The most egregious was the Weaver family (Ruby Ridge) when the feds raided to arrest him for "selling a sawed-off shotgun". As I recall, his wife, son, and baby were killed.

Close, they, the BATF, had already arrested him for that. The federal marshals were "surveiling" his property and family because he failed to show up in court. The Marshalls shot the dog, because he had alerted to their presence, then the son shot *at* the hidden Marshals because they had shot his dog. The Marshals then killed the kid. Then a family friend shot and killed a Marshall. Finally FBI was called in, Weaver's wife was shot, by FBI agent/sniper Ron Horiuchi, while holding her assault baby, as was the friend.

On the original charge, Weaver was found not guilty because of entrapment. IIRC the "failure to appear" charge was dropped, in part because Weaver was given the wrong court date. The Taxpayers ended up paying Weaver a small fortune for "wrongful death".

And of course the FBI HRT team was rewarded with promotions and such. Some went on to participate in the Waco/Davidian bonfire.

99 posted on 12/17/2007 1:52:33 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Yeah, I knew I probably had some of the details wrong as I was working from memory, and just too danged lazy to go back and dig them up. But despite my minor errors of recollection, I believe this is still one of the worst "SWAT team" fiascos perpetrated against citizens of this country.

But local police departments seem addicted to this "Rambo" stuff.

109 posted on 12/17/2007 2:59:23 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: El Gato
Close, they, the BATF, had already arrested him for that. The federal marshals were "surveiling" his property and family because he failed to show up in court.

You forgot to mention that the shotgun charge was a setup, the barrel was less than 1/8" to short and also when he received his notification to appear in court it had the wrong date on it. The reason he was arrested in the first place was to force him to be a spy for the government against other people in Randy's area. He refused and they then proceded to stick it to him. The kid did shoot at the agents but evidently he didn't know what was going on. Also, you left out the part about the FBI killing Randy's wife because, apparently, they couldn't see anyone else to shoot at. She was holding her baby at the time.

Randy did get 3 million dollars for this screw up by the Clintons chief gestapo agent, Janet Reno, and the judge who tried the case wanted to bring action against the agents responsible but was stopped by the Clintons. All in all a gross violation of constitutional rights and well documented.

115 posted on 12/17/2007 4:51:35 PM PST by calex59
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