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To: mnehrling

Well, well, well. Patriotism and Christianity are bad now. His point, I hope, is that the appearance of good will seduce us to evil. That said, is this type of fascism what we have to be concerned about in 2008? It seems to me that the fascism that is rising is a globalist and athiestic/materialist idealism . . . not one race but one elite that will ultimately have absolute power. Patriotism and Christianity will be forces opposing this, not helping it.


15 posted on 12/18/2007 7:46:18 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Greg F
Well, well, well. Patriotism and Christianity are bad now.

That's so, Old Europe...

32 posted on 12/18/2007 7:49:36 AM PST by NeoCaveman ("The most expensive thing we pay for is ignorance" - El Rushbo)
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To: Greg F
Well, well, well. Patriotism and Christianity are bad now.

No. He's simply pointing out that when it comes, it will be on the back of a candidate hiding it under a veneer of patriotism and Christian values. The "bad guys" know there are mass numbers of people who think anyone preaching "God 'n' guns" is automatically good, and anyone running against that person is automatically bad.

And you're proving Ron Paul right.

92 posted on 12/18/2007 8:07:19 AM PST by VirginiaConstitutionalist (Illegals contribute more taxes than welfare recipients. Maybe we're deporting the wrong people.)
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To: Greg F
His entire quote needs to be read...the quote by Lewis is taken out of context. When asked in an interview about Huckabee's advertisement which had a window pane in it that looked like a cross, Paul responded:

Well, I haven’t thought about it completely, but you know, it reminds me of what Sinclair, uh, Lewis once said, he said ‘when Fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.’ I don’t know whether that’s a fair assessment or not, but you wonder about using a cross like he is the only Christian, or implying that subtly. So, uh, I don’t think I would ever use anything like that.

That gives Paul's statement a little more perspective.

186 posted on 12/18/2007 8:50:23 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Greg F
His point, I hope, is that the appearance of good will seduce us to evil.

A message worthy of consideration, regardless of the messenger.

Devotion to God or country is fine. Devotion to God or country that will not suffer question or scrutiny is where there's potential for abuse.

187 posted on 12/18/2007 8:50:28 AM PST by dbwz (kthxbai)
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To: Greg F
I know of only one religion which seeks peace in the world among all religions.

I know of only one religion which seeks to conquer the world with the point of a sword and eliminate all other religions..

And the ONLY peacemakers of whom I am aware wears the uniform of the American armed forces, or sits in the oval office.

301 posted on 12/18/2007 10:27:04 AM PST by elpadre
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To: Greg F
Atheism/secular humanism masked by an appeal to "tolerance," i.e. speech-suppression intended for the benefit of you know who.

The who being today's version of the NSDAP-wedded to "religion," and not the kind practiced by Christians or Jews, and heartily endorsed by the EU, UN and other anti-Western bodies.

I agree with Ron Paul's critique of the Huckabee campaign-his attempt to turn this race into a contest for Preacher-in-Chief is not only obnoxious, but disturbing-but as usual, his painful inarticulateness mangles the message he's trying to convey.

Plus, it is an apocryphal quote, which Lewis never uttered.

302 posted on 12/18/2007 10:27:52 AM PST by Reaganite1984
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To: Greg F

Patriotism and Christianity are not evil, but evil politicians have often pretended to be patriots and/or Christians in order to give credibility to evil acts. I think Huckster Huckaberry is doing that.


332 posted on 12/18/2007 10:58:29 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Greg F
Patriotism and Christianity will be forces opposing this, not helping it.

I think you are missing the point. He's saying that in order to sell fascism to people, it will be sold shrouded in Patriotism and Christianity, as if it is compatible with them instead of antithetical.

448 posted on 12/18/2007 12:47:08 PM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: Greg F
Well, well, well. Patriotism and Christianity are bad now.

No, but counterfeit Patriotism and Christianity are.

We have seen Carter and Clinton sell themselves as 'Christians'.

And the Neocons (the elites) are selling the WOT as fighting for America, when in fact they are using America's military to advance globalism.

452 posted on 12/18/2007 1:01:55 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Neocon's-the intellectual blood brothers of the Left-Yaron Brook)
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To: Greg F
"It seems to me that the fascism that is rising is a globalist and athiestic/materialist idealism . . . not one race but one elite that will ultimately have absolute power."

Yet its leader will cast himself as Christ.

"Patriotism and Christianity will be forces opposing this, not helping it."

To the extent that they will still exist.

862 posted on 12/19/2007 8:40:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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