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To: lowbridge

Reason #45873459 that the IRS should be abolished. What difference does it make who did what, as long as it was done? Taxing the same job differently for different workers is social-micro-engineering. Only the most arrogant or the most clueless think they know how to create utopia by such engineering. Neither class should be in charge of America.


5 posted on 12/22/2007 3:02:03 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: coloradan
Reason #45873459 that the IRS should be abolished.

How you know there's no such thing as telekinesis: Every April 15, hundreds of thousands of IRS workers do not suddenly die or burst into fire or have their intestines explode.
14 posted on 12/22/2007 3:29:06 PM PST by aruanan
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It goes beyond that... There are 20 common law factors that are supposed to be used to weigh whether or not a worker is a contractor or employee - case law shows that if the worker meets just 4-5 of the factors, they are found to not be an employee. Of course, the IRS takes the stance that if you meet ANY of the 20, it’s an employee. Of course, States consider otherwise (and rightly so).

Try to justify to a State why a contractor is NOT given a 1099, but a W-2. And try to explain to the IRS why an “employee” is given a 1099 and not a W-2. And try not to get both sides upset at you.

If you’re tagged/audited by the IRS and you have ANY contractors on staff, you best not meet ANY of the 20 criteria or they will consider it willful misrepresentation of classification and immediately hit you for at least twice the taxes that should have been due (income and FICA and SS). And you have to fight to not only show it was NOT willful, but that the worker was in fact a contractor.

I know, it happened to me 3 times in 7 years. Even pointing out to the “revenue officer” (yes, that’s their title) the LAW and the IRS’ own guidelines that it is to be a WEIGHTED evaluation of the 20 factors, I was still found to be committing willful misrepresentation and hit with literally hundreds of thousands of dollars of fines and levies. Which are applied immediately - you know what an IRS levy does to your credit lines?

In each case, after 6 months and tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees to fight them I got the IRS to “forgive” the infraction and accept my classification. Yes, “forgive” me for doing nothing wrong to start. In each time, they even tried to attach my personal assets even though that is clearly illegal (corporate veil).

Just another example of the IRS taking a guilty-until-proven-innocent attitude. And even when PROVEN innocent in a judicial pre-trial review or court they still consider you’re doing something wrong, they just haven’t found it yet... I’m convinced that beating them in the first audit was the reason I got two more in the space of 3 years.

The IRS is one of the largest drags on the economy; I know that much of the offshoring of companies and assets is strictly to avoid their own contradictory and unilateral means of dealing with the tax payer. If the asset is outside their reach, there’s a lot less to worry about...


15 posted on 12/22/2007 3:33:21 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Complaining about the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.)
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To: coloradan

Taxing the same job differently for different workers is social-micro-engineering. Only the most arrogant or the most clueless think they know how to create utopia by such engineering.
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Sorry, but classifying ground drivers as “independent contractors” and placing all the business risk upon those drivers PLUS the ‘demand of their time’ driving around in a FedEx truck and wearing a FedEx uniform makes them EMPLOYEES.

FedEx was skirting their employer responsibility by whoring out these people who simply want to fed their families. ESPECIALLY when they have a WHOLE NEW DEPARTMENT that micromanages the mileage and state-by-state fuel purchases of these so-called “independent contractors.”

I think the IRS is out of control, but corporations pimping the poor schmuck who needs to feed his family is even worse.


37 posted on 12/22/2007 4:45:35 PM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: coloradan

And another thing......just who do you think is going to pay those fines and penalties? WE ARE.

There ain’t no money tree planted out back of corporate headquarters from which dollars will be plucked and sent to our benevolent betters in government house.

ABOLISH THE IRS......THE CODE........and their power....

ENACT THE FAIR TAX!!!!


58 posted on 12/22/2007 7:23:51 PM PST by DivaDelMar
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To: coloradan

Read my tagline. And I agree.


113 posted on 12/23/2007 1:00:52 PM PST by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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