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To: onja; gracesdad; OKIEDOC

Perhaps it is going to far to say that suicide will doom one’s soul; however, it is still a violation of the commandment against killing.


19 posted on 12/28/2007 12:39:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I post this to you but it also concerns all the others who have posted to me doubting my sanity, theyÂ’re coming to take me a away he he haw haw ho ho I have a really good friend down at the health club, Jimmy is an avowed homosexual man and a workout friend. He is extremely smart and knowledgeable about many subjects. I state Jimmy’s lifestyle because many homosexuals have pulled away from fundamental Christianity. Also, Jimmy works with with my wife on various psychiatric studies she performs for the university. Sometimes we talk about various subjects and one of those is how he justifies his current lifestyle with his fundamentalist Christian upbringing. Jimmy likes to have this discussion because he knows that I disagree with his lifestyle. He tells me that he changed his beliefs and how he views Christianity when he met Bobby his partner. He states that he and Bobby believe in the new form of liberal Christianity taught at the All World Church of Science (Not real name but close) that started up several years ago. He tells me that the King James Bible I read is full of inaccuracies (Shiite actually) and is for mostly older narrow minded people truly ignorant of the religious beliefs now accepted in the world. I picked the following off the Internet for Jimmy and it closely resembles what I was taught as a boy in various Protestant churches about suicide. Of course Jimmy stated that the web site was the ranting of an ignorant hillbilly fundamentalist. I will post some of it here and you can make your own judgment: href=”http://www.behindthebadge.net/suicide/s92.html";>http://www.behindthebadge.net/suicide/s92.html Excerpt............... (1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV) [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. (1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) [16] Don’t you know that you yourselves are Gods temple and that Gods Spirit lives in you? [17] If anyone destroys Gods temple, God will destroy him; for Gods temple is sacred, and you are that temple. (Psalm 39:4 NIV) Show me, O LORD, my lifes end and the number of my days; let me know how fleeting is my life. (Psalm 139:15-16 NIV) [15] My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, [16] your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. “You might be asking what those two have to do with suicide, they don’t even talk about death. Yes they do. Both of them talk about God knowing how long your life will be. How does God know? He knows because it is up to Him to decide. When a person kills them self, they are playing god in their own life. They are taking the decision away from God. Now I ask you; is that a sin? Where exactly in the bible does it say that killing yourself is a sin? I know killing others is a sin, but I can’t find where it says killing yourself is. Killing someone else against their will is not the same as willingly giving up your own. I accepted Jesus (again) in my heart wed night, had a little peace until I read in the bible that God doesn’t take away problems, just gives hope and strength. Well, I am one giant problem and a thousand little ones. Hope and comfort just won’t cut it. Always had this fantasy of meeting God at the gate and convincing Him to just make me cease to exist, no heaven, no hell, just nothing. I found your website not too long ago, I was surfing the net for humor sites, wasting time until things were set to go. Then I found yours. Made me stop what I was doing. Isn’t that a riot? Bet you have helped a lot of people. Been reading the bible, but it just occurred to me that only murder of another person is a sin. I can’t find anywhere in the bible where is specifically says suicide is a sin, can you? Will wait for your answer. You said you accepted Christ again wed. evening. That is great, but what did you accept? Did you accept Him as Lord and Savior of your life? Or did you accept Him as genie in the sky who will take care of all your problems? You are right, God will not instantly do away with all your problems. Some He might do that with, but that is not what He offers us. He does offer hope and comfort, but much more than that. Part of your problem seems to be that you have no idea what life is suppose to be about. It is not about having fun and being comfortable, it is about having a relationship with God. Until you have that close relationship you will not be able to know what God’s purpose for your life is. I can’t tell you what it is, because I don’t know, but I do know that He has a purpose for you. Maybe that purpose is to clean toilets in the subway and witness to the homeless people there. Or maybe it is a much “nicer” purpose. I don’t know, but I know that if God did not have a purpose for your life, you would not take in another breath. See God is not powerless to kill you. He can take you life any time He wants to, so if you live another day, it is because God has ordained it. It is time you got your eyes off of yourself and onto Christ and see why He wants you on this earth. But make no mistake, you can claim the passages I quoted don’t mean anything, you can claim that God will welcome you into heaven even if you kill yourself, but you would only be fooling yourself. You cannot play God for a fool. He gave you life and it is up to Him when you die. If you make the decision with a clear mind to kill yourself, you have rejected Christ.” End of Excerpt......... Just the lowly opinions of a red state wannabe so FLAME AWAY if you so desire folks. Happy New Year to you and yours.


34 posted on 12/28/2007 2:51:51 PM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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