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Who 'Lost' Fallujah? Marines Or Media?
IBD ^ | January 3, 2007

Posted on 01/03/2008 5:42:13 PM PST by Kaslin

Media And War: As the battle for Fallujah raged during 2004, the world's media gave it front-page treatment — almost all of it negative. Now U.S. intelligence analysts say the media deserve some blame for the setback there.


A report looking back at the first battle of Fallujah, which led to a U.S. withdrawal of forces from that city, concludes that a major reason for the U.S. retreat wasn't military incompetence or an unbeatable foe; no, it was the media.

"The outcome of a purely military contest in Fallujah was always a foregone conclusion — coalition victory," according to a report from the U.S. Army National Ground Intelligence Center.

"But Fallujah was not simply a military action, it was a political and informational battle. . . . The effects of media coverage, enemy information operations and the fragility of the political environment conspired to force a halt to U.S. military operations."

That halt, by the way, meant more U.S. troops were killed in pacifying Fallujah than necessary. The first battle for Fallujah began on April 4, 2004, and ended five days later. The U.S. had to wait six months before going back to finish the job.

(Excerpt) Read more at ibdeditorials.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: infowar

1 posted on 01/03/2008 5:42:14 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Could say much the same for Vietnam...


2 posted on 01/03/2008 5:45:49 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Kaslin

The Marines won Fallujah, handily, when allowed to.

Regards


3 posted on 01/03/2008 5:50:31 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: Kaslin
Image hosted by Photobucket.com it sure the hell WASN'T the Marines, so...
4 posted on 01/03/2008 5:51:02 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Kaslin
Any time you are ordered to use restraint in war the obvious will happen. Let the blame be applied where it belongs, the upper echelon.
5 posted on 01/03/2008 5:52:36 PM PST by boomop1
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To: sionnsar

That’s foresure


6 posted on 01/03/2008 5:54:31 PM PST by Kaslin (Peace is the aftermath of victory)
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To: ARE SOLE

“The Marines won Fallujah, handily, when allowed to”

The problem was after three contractors were murdered, burned, dismembered and then dragged through the streets, the marines were held back from cleaning out that vipers den. Whoever made the decision to hold them back bears that responsibility.


7 posted on 01/03/2008 5:56:13 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: ARE SOLE

The Marines win every time … when allow to do their jobs! ;-)


8 posted on 01/03/2008 5:56:20 PM PST by doc1019 (Rabbit and the Hare Fred 08)
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To: Kaslin

I read on another thread that after the Blackwater incident, the marines were ordered to immediately assault Fallujah, bypassing shaping operations that would’ve allowed marines to evac some women and children.


9 posted on 01/03/2008 5:56:35 PM PST by steel_resolve (If you can't stand behind our troops, then please stand in front...)
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To: Kaslin; All

I recommend to everyone the book “No True Glory: A Frontline Account of the Battle for Fallujah” by Bing West.

It covers both the military and the political/media aspects.

Just an astounding book. Mistakes were made and always are in warfare/politics, but...the quality, dedication and toughness of our forces prevailed.


10 posted on 01/03/2008 5:59:49 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Kaslin
I believe this is a “When did you stop beating your wife” type question
11 posted on 01/03/2008 6:00:25 PM PST by Lost Dutchman ("Weep for the future Na'Toth, Weep for us all." (G'Kar-Babylon 5))
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To: doc1019

Allow = Allowed


12 posted on 01/03/2008 6:03:21 PM PST by doc1019 (Rabbit and the Hare Fred 08)
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To: rlmorel

Also try to track down Vincent Foulk’s “Battle of Fallujah.”


13 posted on 01/03/2008 6:16:56 PM PST by BroncosFan ("Now we grieve, 'cause now it's gone / But things were good when we were young.")
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To: Kaslin

Media, the domestic enemy, the media.


14 posted on 01/03/2008 6:17:05 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Abolish the CIA, give the job to the Free Clinic who know how to stop leaks.)
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To: BroncosFan

I will check it out...thx.


15 posted on 01/03/2008 6:21:06 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Kaslin

The whole axiom is flawed for one very important reason: we needed to concentrate the enemy to fight them.

At the beginning of the WoT, our enemy was dispersed to every corner of the planet. It would be impossible for our military to “take the fight to them” in all those nations, and they would always have many advantages. They would even be able to take the fight to our homeland.

So the best way we could fight them was if we got them to concentrate in a place where our powerful military could fight them, far away from our “soft targets”. This would turn a situation from one where we couldn’t win to one where we couldn’t lose.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan acted as “roach motels”, drawing the very best the enemy had to fight with there, to fight our soldiers. Had they been smart, they would have stayed dispersed and attacked our civilians. But they took the bait.

It is important that not all of the enemy has the fortitude to leave their native country, get training and equipment, and travel all the way to get to us. So this meant that only their very best, their top fighters, left a dozen countries to come to Iraq and Afghanistan to fight us and die. And once they are gone, it will be a long time before there are enough of them with the chutzpah to try it again.

But Iraq and Afghanistan are both large nations. So once our enemy were in country, we needed to concentrate them even more. We chose the very hostile city of Fallujah to be this place. From a given moment, we wanted every enemy fighter to head there, so that we could kill them.

We knew that they would think Fallujah would be ideal as a place to set up their emirate, as the new capital of their conquest of Iraq. The Fallujahns fully supported them and hated the US, and had a long history of making trouble for foreigners.

So we *gave* the enemy Fallujah. And from every corner of Iraq, the enemy flowed there like water. And it was the biggest and best trap laid since World War II.

Perhaps the worst mistake al-Qaeda ever made, which says a lot, in that they are masters as screwing up. And for their bad judgment, the Fallujahns were punished mightily first by their al-Qaeda “friends”, and then by the US.

And over 1,350 enemy fighters died there. A crushing defeat to their forces. Had they stayed home and made trouble, by now there could be a dozen nations in the throes of a civil war.

The US military didn’t “lose” Fallujah, it “used” Fallujah.


16 posted on 01/03/2008 6:28:21 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Kaslin
Did the fact that a majority of civilians evacuate help our forces? Would more of our guys die with all the civilians there? Did the extra time to build defenses help the enemy? I don't know.

I do know that the msm is firmly in the enemy camp and anything that they did was to help the enemy.

17 posted on 01/03/2008 6:29:55 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
“The US military didn't 'lose' Fallujah, it 'used' Fallujah.”

I don’t know if that was planned, but it sure worked out that way. I am pretty sure the MSM intended “lose.”

18 posted on 01/03/2008 6:55:37 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: tennmountainman

Wrong.

They weren’t held back. They never intended to go out because of the Blackwater incident, and really never should have.

But in all fairness, when the USMC came in to Al Anbar province, we lost the ability to convoy or ride choppers in the daytime. I convoyed into Fallujah, had to have my SUV hauled out on flatbed and they flew me out after 5 weeks there.

The politics there didn’t help. All the ceasefires did was give them time to reload.


19 posted on 01/03/2008 7:05:29 PM PST by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: Eagle Eye

The Blackwater incident? Is that the three contractors that were murdered, burned, dragged through the streets and dismembered?


20 posted on 01/03/2008 7:20:14 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

No, that was where three private security operators were ambushed in an active combat zone (after being told not to take that route!), then having their bodies burned and mutilated.

They weren’t murdered. They were combatants who died as a result of combat related injuries.


21 posted on 01/03/2008 7:37:03 PM PST by Eagle Eye (If you agree with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: Kaslin; All
More appropriately, it could be said about Tet of ‘68.

The build up of enemy forces was noted but not entirely acted upon until the offensive began. Our reaction was swift and deadly. All Viet Cong forces were eliminated and never again was a serious threat. NVA forces were stunned and sent back to safe areas in Cambodia and the north.

Who won the battle of Tet? Unquestionably a decisive military victory for the US. But the media manipulated (at the hands communists in the media, including Uncle Walter) and beat the citizens of this nation to death nightly with photos of dead and crying women and children and Dan Rather’s flat out lies about the war.

The only thing that kept this from being Tet all over again has been the real story coming out in the alternative media.

The enemies of freedom no longer have a strangle hold on the our information. We have freed the truth.

22 posted on 01/03/2008 7:42:43 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy (The United States Marines: Finest and most feared fighting force in the history of mankind.)
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To: Kaslin
Somebody needs to take down Wikileaks.
23 posted on 01/03/2008 9:28:27 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: intenseracer; 2ndDivisionVet; Lurker; roaddog727; MizSterious; Tainan; AliVeritas; Liberty Wins; ...

ping


24 posted on 01/03/2008 9:31:02 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: ARE SOLE
The Marines won Fallujah, handily, when allowed to.

Exactly. God bless 'em.

25 posted on 01/04/2008 5:42:22 AM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
The only thing that kept this from being Tet all over again has been the real story coming out in the alternative media.

The enemies of freedom no longer have a strangle hold on the our information. We have freed the truth.

There's an old -- from 2004 -- but very good article by Barry Farber called "Anti-American Media are Perverse Propagandists" in which he says:

Mark Twain said a lot of things wittier and funnier. But he never said anything more valuable than this: A man who can read - but does not, has no advantage over a man who cannot read.

He’d probably also agree that a nation free to tell itself the truth -but does not, has no advantage over a dictatorship. Media coverage of Iraq these days makes me fear we have become that nation.

The entire article is linked from my blog if you hit the link above -- it's worth a read. The media is indeed the enemy.

26 posted on 01/04/2008 5:47:12 AM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Somebody needs to take down Wikileaks.

Bump.

27 posted on 01/04/2008 5:48:19 AM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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