Posted on 01/03/2008 11:39:37 PM PST by Maelstorm
A Hard Loss for Romney By John Ellis
It's one thing to lose as you are. What you lose is an election, but there's always another election and in the case of presidential primary politics, a new electorate that awaits you in the next state. It's another thing to lose as you aren't. Mitt Romney was never the 700 Club right-winger his campaign managers conceived. He was and is a man of business and a very capable one at that.
He's all but doomed now. Senator John McCain will beat him in New Hampshire, probably by a lot, and Romney's media coverage will evaporate and his candidacy will consequently die. On January 9, his managers will walk in and say that the campaign needs $10 million or $15 million to continue and that he, Romney, will have to write the check. Everyone who would contribute has maxed out. Everyone who might won't. Two-time losers don't get new money. It's a basic rule of politics.
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What you say may be true but why would that mean they would vote dem?
I would bet that 99% of the Catholic voters have never heard of Hagee. I would also bet that Huckabee didn’t intend to insult Catholics by visiting Hagee’s church and will say so if it becomes an issue. Deal is this for me. Huckabee wounded Romney’s campaign. Yahoo Huckabee. Maybe McCain will kill Romney’s campaign in New Hampshire. Then . . . on to the next RINO to end the run of.
Thompson is the way out of chaos. He’s someone both social and economic conservatives can support.
Nope... look at the RAW numbers: almost TWICE the number of Pubs caucied. It appears that PUBS piled on Obama to give Ol' Shillery the Shaftery!
I am not a Mormon, but Romney’s Mormonism does not bother me in the least. But like you, Obama is a scary wild card. Then again, so are Hillary, Edwards, Huckabee, and McCain.
The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the Mudville nine that day;
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play,
And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same,
A pall-like silence fell upon the patrons of the game.
A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, “If only Casey could but get a whack at that —
We’d put up even money now, with Casey at the bat.”
But Flynn preceded Casey, as did also Jimmy Blake,
And the former was a hoodoo, while the latter was a cake;
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat;
For there seemed but little chance of Casey getting to the bat.
But Flynn let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,
And Blake, the much despised, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and men saw what had occurred,
There was Jimmy safe at second and Flynn a-hugging third.
Then from five thousand throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It pounded on the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,
For Casey, mighty Casey, was advancing to the bat.
There was ease in Casey’s manner as he stepped into his place;
There was pride in Casey’s bearing and a smile lit Casey’s face.
And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
No stranger in the crowd could doubt ‘twas Casey at the bat.
Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt.
Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
Defiance flashed in Casey’s eye, a sneer curled Casey’s lip.
And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
And Casey stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped —
“That ain’t my style,” said Casey. “Strike one!” the umpire said.
From the benches, black with people, there went up a muffled roar,
Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore;
“Kill him! Kill the umpire!” shouted some one on the stand;
And it’s likely they’d have killed him had not Casey raised his hand.
With a smile of Christian charity great Casey’s visage shone;
He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
He signaled to the pitcher, and once more the dun sphere flew;
But Casey still ignored it, and the umpire said “Strike two!”
“Fraud!” cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered “Fraud!”
But one scornful look from Casey and the audience was awed.
They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
And they knew that Casey wouldn’t let that ball go by again.
The sneer has fled from Casey’s lip, the teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of Casey’s blow.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and little children shout;
But there is no joy in Mudville — mighty Casey has struck out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJvqBq_Qa8
Not so fast. Romney won’t give up so easily, I don’t think.
You didn’t mention Thompson when you asked “If not Romney who?”
Thompson is the obvious way out of this mess.
“Huckabee made a responding negative ad but then decided not to show it. “ Oh please. He showed it to the press and did get it run a lot more than if he *had* bought it. That was so transparently a “we need to attack Romney but we want to do it on the cheap” ploy practically no insider fell for it ... yet it probably worked because bumpkins have a false believe that the slick Huckster actually is an
Huckabee has been to most dishonest and least ethical candidate in the race. Rollins on his crew? His push-polling. His false evasions on his record as Governor. His sly ‘offhand’ comment to NYT. The constant “I’m a Christian” theme to troll for the identity/bigot voters, all the while claiming to take a ‘high road’ that he had no right to claim.
Sour grapes? More like umbrage that Iowa voters fell for the PT Barnum circus act.
“So in addition to the guys like me that won’t vote for a Mormon for President because I think Mormonism is a cult and a terrible twisting of the truth”
... stop right there. that’s an awful terrible and prejudiced reason to vote against someone. To defend that way of thinking is to defend stupidity. The result of that stupid thinking is a CLUSTERHUCK, the worst candidate who happens to be a tax-and-spend populist but is the most “most Christian” wins. As a result of this thinking, the Reagan coalition falls apart and a RINO or Democrat gets elected. Bravo, I hope the death of Reagan conservatism was worth keeping a Mormon out of the White House.
Hunter has over 27 yrs in congress, experience on the Armed Services Comm and as the chairman dealing with National Security, Military, etc.
His County has the largest concentration of Military with Marines and Navy. He is also a Viet nam war vet.
His son has done three tours in the current war.
He has been on the border issues and illegals before any of the other candidates especially since part of his dist. is at the border. Has authored the bills re the fence.
His views on trade are now being copied by other candidates.
Fred is a nice guy but does not inspire. You are in TX and are use to southern lay back type.
Large cities, urban areas in most parts don’t attract to lay backs.
Republican San Diego, population 3 million will not jump on the Fred bandwagon in majority.
“Cult ... It’s any group that denies any or all of the basic, historic and foundational doctrines of Christianity”
“Pretty simple, actually...” ... and wrong.
You’ve just defined Judaism, buddhism, atheism, Quakerism, and Unitarians all as a cult. That’s bizarre and counterfactual. You are misusing the term.
It only bothered me to the extent I knew it would bother others who don't accept them which I will let God be the judge about their beliefs. I feel good will toward most of them because they tend to be honest and there for you even if they know you aren't joining up with them and a lot more positives just as people, forget the religious part. And I'm in thoughtful, resigned, trying-to-be-realistic/objective mode and certainly don't want to be inflammatory.
Now you opened a can of worms with the fear factor. Hillary and Obama scare me the most, I thought Obama less so but maybe even moreso in some ways. Edwards, no love lost for him, naturally, but I am least afraid of him as far as Dems go, maybe somebody should clue me in why I should fear him other than the usual Dem stuff coupled with his possible sleaze factor as a lawyer.
I'm not going to be scared of Huckabee and McCain YET but see where some are coming from on Huckabee, even McCain. I feel like such a dunce today, I don't like his name. Cain slew Abel. Now how stupid is that? It's just symbolism.
I'll have to go point by point down their stances as things come to a head; it is out of my hands now not that my vote counted for any more than one lousy point. I'm sure there is probably something about all of them I won't like. Maybe if Thompson has a chance and I think he can win, I will end up really liking him. I didn't give myself enough chance to familiarize myself with him because I thought Iowans wouldn't care about him. I was wrong about that; he placed third but not where I am. Local stuff does color my views and you can't go by everything on the web.
Incidentally, it was a catholic lady who spoke on behalf of Romney at my caucus last night, but I had already made up my mind anyway. For now.
“Boy Scout policy is to NOT allow homosexual scoutmasters.”
And in 10 years on the BSA national board and a HUGE BSA supporter, Mitt Romney did not change their position or make any official move to do so.
As an Eagle scout, I am glad that Mitt Romney has been such a big supporter of the Boy Scouts and supports their right to make their own decisions about scoutmasters.
It is good to see that you are not attempting to equate Mormonism with Christianity
I agree with you 100% on Thompson and plan to vote for him here in Florida. I think he’s the only candidate at this point who can hold the party together. Huckabee won’t hold the Mormons, Catholics or fiscal conservatives, Romney won’t hold the evangelicals, McCain won’t hold the sane and Giuliani won’t hold the social conservatives.
As for Catholics, I wouldn’t assume they don’t know about Hagee. I received the Catholic League’s email about Huckabee’s visit to Hagee’s church from no less than six devout, Catholic churchgoing friends. It made the rounds. Non-churchgoing Catholics don’t know who Hagee is and don’t care, but serious Catholics do, and the ones who don’t know Hagee do know Bill Donohue, and Donohue is on Huckabee like a dog with a bone.
Like I’ve said, the very Catholics who are likely to vote Republican are also the ones most likely to be offended, whether Huckabee intended it or not. I’m also deeply suspicious that he won’t release his sermons, including the one from his talk at Hagee’s church. Why would someone running as a Christian leader hide the proof of it? How very Clintonesque it is to make a claim and then hide the evidence to back it up.
If Thompson doesn’t get the nomination, the party is in a world of hurt.
Yah. Huckabee didn’t show the ad. You never saw it. I never saw it. The people of Iowa didn’t see it. But hey, people that think he pulled the ad are rubes.
I call some of Romney’s LDS supporters pouting about the loss “sour grapes” . . . you call it “umbrage.” At least we can agree in principle if not in terminology.
And if you think it’s stupid to oppose Mormonism, a false religion and one that declares Christianity a lie, I’m proud to be called stupid by you. I guess us stupid folk just can’t figure our way to voting for a flip-flopping, homosexual agenda supporting, plastic man like Romney. It really would take a brilliant mind to figure out a reason to support a man like that so you could be right.
Good line FRiend.
As an Eagle Scout I am repulsed by Romney’s support for homosexual scout masters and would sooner vote for a name in the phone book than Romney.
You: The LDS church does not believe that.
No? (What? You think Orson Pratt, LDS leader & brother of Parley Pratt, ancestor of Mitt Romney, just "made up" this comment on his own as mere "commentary?")
Whereas some contemporary LDS deliberately avoid certain Book of Mormon & D&C "scriptural" passages, Pratt knew how to read them:
So a quick Book of Mormon lesson that shows that what you say is not so:
Question 1: How many churches does the Book of Mormon acknowledge?
Answer to 1: Only two--one true; one false; one of the Lamb (Jesus); one of the devil
Question 2: Where is this found?
Answer to 2: 1 Nephi 14:10 clearly says "two churches only." Not 1500 or 2000 or 7000 or whatever. Two. 1 Nephi 14:9 tells of an "abominable church...whose foundation is the devil."
Question 3: According to LDS leaders/commentators' opinion, is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the "church of the lamb?"
Answer to 3: Yes, which leaves the Christian church at-large to be the "abominable church...whose foundation is the devil." (For further confirmation, see Bruce McConkie, LDS apostle, Mormon Doctrine)
Question 4: Where did Orson Pratt get this term of "whore" from in applying it to the Christian church at large?
Answer to 4: From the Book of Mormon, especially the following two verses: "abominable church...whore of all the earth" (2 Nephi 28:18); and "whore of all the earth" (2 Nephi 10:16)
Question 5: Where did Orson Pratt derive his concept of a great whore church (the Catholic church) that would have "harlot daughters" (the Protestant church)?
Answer to 5: From Joseph Smith himself, as found in LDS "scripture" (& elsewhere). I refer you, for example, to "that great church, the mother of abominations" (D&C 88:94).
Question 6: To this very minute, does the LDS church consider that both the D&C and the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God, to be revelations of God, to be the standard of God for doctrines, for beliefs, for creeds, for worldviews?
Answer to 6: Yes, these are not mere commentaries, opinions, or sermons.
Question 7: Is the Book of Mormon absolutely rife with this obsession of calling the non-Mormon church to be putrid in God's eyes? And do we know that this was some "great" Church that had direct linkage to control of the early Scriptures (the Bible)?
Answer to 7: Yes on both counts. The KJV word "abomination" is used repetitively to describe the non-Mormon church. 1 Nephi 13:6 & 2 Nephi 6:12 both call it a "great & abominable church." D&C 29:21 references it as an "abominable church" & D&C 88:94 calls it a "great church, the mother of abominations" (D&C 88:94). [Also, see references above to "whore" "of all the earth."] 1 Nephi 13:32 accuses this church of censorship: "parts of the gospel kept back by that abominable church” (1 Nephi 13:32). This last reference can only be a reference to the great historical church.
The fact that you would track down what someone’s ancestor said in order to bash them is sick, in my opinion.
No, the fact that Romney hasn't distanced himself from such comments is "sick." And worse, the fact that Romney's ancestor only got these comments from reading the Book of Mormon & D&C & from listening to "prophets" like Smith & Brigham Young is even "sicker."
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