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My Fellow Evangelicals Blow It By Supporting Mike Huckabee
North Star Writers Group ^ | January 8, 2008 | Dan Calabrese

Posted on 01/08/2008 5:56:29 AM PST by Invisigoth

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To: roses of sharon
I’m not a Huck supporter but I do sympathize with the evangelical vote because the issues they care about are still there after 3 decades. I think Evangelicals want a well rounded, not bloated, candidate that can be strong on National Defense and fight for their domestic causes. The MSM pushing for a Rudy really ticked off the evangelicals to a point where they are saying that if the GOP abandons them they will ruin the GOP. I agree with you 100%, NO NEW TONE!
101 posted on 01/08/2008 7:28:23 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: tobyhill

Why should the federal government be setting up domestic policy? Seems to me that’s a state issue, not something that the feds should be dealing with.

Evangelicals seem to like a big government when it comes to legislating values, and that’s a turn off to me. Let the states make the rules.


102 posted on 01/08/2008 7:29:59 AM PST by tortdog
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To: roses of sharon
values voters have had total control over the nominee for generations now

Yep, and Huckabee is just the sort of temper tantrum one can expect from people who have been spoiled rotten for years.

103 posted on 01/08/2008 7:33:35 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: Invisigoth

Sadly my wife informed me last night she was now a Hickabee supporter based on one issue. She was leaning FDT until he said he would modify social security. She is a mental health professional and thinks we should do more for those types. I told her if we are broke or embroiled at home in terror it is a moot point.

She has become a one issue voter. I am deeply saddened.


104 posted on 01/08/2008 7:34:06 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Jibaholic

Socialism is the great evil of this world. The fact that the Huckster thinks (in apparent sincerity) that he speaks for God simply shows that Satan is a talented ventriloquist.


105 posted on 01/08/2008 7:35:46 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: Jibaholic
Communism never established itself in Christian, particularly Protestant, nations.

Yeah; it's a well known fact that the Czars and their ministers all worshipped belly button lint.

If the problem with the Soviet Union were simply it's economic policies then the Soviet Union should have been able to rebound when it changed them.

They've been doing so (though Pooty-poot might undo much of the progress, being of the old regime in all but name). Obviously, it takes decades to undo the damage of decades.

106 posted on 01/08/2008 7:39:41 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: roses of sharon
Even RR and Helms could not get a RTL amendment passed. Nor has a marriage amendment.

American history is littered with amendments that have been "passed" but not ratified.

Amendments to the Constitution must be ratified by THREE FOURTHS of all the states to become the supreme law of the land.

Can a single evangelical out there supply the list of three fourths of all states in the United States of America in 2008 that would ratify EITHER a Right to Life Amendment OR a Right to Abortion Amendment?

Anybody?

The only way to realistically change the status of abortion in the U.S., is to appoint "original intent" Justices to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade and have matters not mentioned in the Constitution be under the jurisdiction of the States as the Tenth Amendment states they are.

But, as some have said on this thread, they "don't care".

They would rather sabotage the elections, put a Hillary or Obama in the White House who will fill Supreme Court vacancies with Ruth Ginsburg clones and keep abortion legal in all 50 states for decades to come just so they can brag about how uncompromisingly holy they are.

107 posted on 01/08/2008 7:39:41 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Resolute Conservative

“Sadly my wife informed me last night she was now a Hickabee supporter based on one issue.”

Fortunately, Hubby and I always do a Vulcan political mind-meld when it comes to choosing candidates. We both can’t stand McQueeg or Huckabee, would prefer Fred Thompson, but will be okay if Romney or Guiliani were the nominee. Actually, we wish President Bush could run for a third term—we’d be proud to vote for him.

I can’t imagine being divided on something like this. Of course, hubby also assured me he never would have asked me out for the first time if I had been a Democrat. LOL

Keep working on your wife—she isn’t a lost cause. She’ll eventually see through the Huckster’s snake oil routine.


108 posted on 01/08/2008 7:40:55 AM PST by RooRoobird20 (Thankfully Convered Catholic)
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To: indylindy

The USSC is not bound by stare decisis when it deals with the fundamental decisions of life or death and for the USSC to continue to allow death when all indications are that death deals with extreme suffering is unconstitutional in itself. The death penalty involves minimal to no pain the way it’s done so I think the USSC is playing their games on the wrong issues and on purpose.


109 posted on 01/08/2008 7:42:22 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: VRWCmember
Your criticisms of Huckabee for the most part are accurate, but when you throw the "religious bigot" part in there it makes you sound like one of these Christophobes of the left.

Puh-leeze. That wink-wink-nudge-nudge "I'm not exactly saying that Mormons believe that Lucifer was Jesus' brother..." stunt was a clear appeal to religious bigotry (compounded by being delivered in such a spineless weasel way).

110 posted on 01/08/2008 7:43:36 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: tortdog
Do you believe that it is not Christian to impose a punishment for the violation of the law?

No. I was merely speaking to your statement, giving an example proving it false.

There must always be room for mercy. I am against liberal judges who do not enforce the law, but I am equally against mandated judgments, removing the ability of a judge to grant mercy. There is a middle ground that once was the norm.

111 posted on 01/08/2008 7:45:59 AM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: tobyhill
Huck is the one actually RUNNING HIS CAMPAIGN on CHANGING the party by moving towards Nannie state government and economic liberalism, he is attacking other Republicans, and their religion.

RG is not running any such campaign.
112 posted on 01/08/2008 7:46:11 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Jibaholic
Bush is a pet of the Republican elite establishment. He is the son of Bush Sr. His family's political ties as country club Republicans...

My browser seems to have conjoined a FR URL with DU content.

113 posted on 01/08/2008 7:47:07 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: tortdog
I agree that the federal government shouldn’t set up domestic policy but the federal government already has by going to the USSC overriding state decisions leaving only one option, having the federal government fix their wrongs. There is one other option, states ignore the congress and the USSC.
114 posted on 01/08/2008 7:48:09 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Vigilanteman
Huckabee wouldn’t be a bad candidate. Except for his being a nanny-stater, illegal alien pusher, tax hiker, populist class-warfare baiter, religious bigot and foreign policy neophyte who almost makes Obama look thoughtful by comparison. Other than that, he’s a great candidate.

Interesting you state this. I told someone the other day that Huckabee actually scares me more than Obama.

115 posted on 01/08/2008 7:49:02 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: roses of sharon
Huck is a divisive candidate that I don’t think will win but the Evangelicals are firing the warning shot and will not vote if they don’t get the candidate that supports their causes.
116 posted on 01/08/2008 7:52:23 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Polybius
Yes, it is obviously some kind of ego driven logic.

Which is irrational because WE ARE AT WAR!

My heart aches for our men with boots on the ground right now, who have sacrificed and died.

While we play games with our egos, and are fundamentally unserious spoiled brats at the moment when they need us the most.

117 posted on 01/08/2008 7:52:31 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: tobyhill
Let them fire their shots in their pretend war.

In the meantime our troops in the REAL WAR will be turned over to a man and a party who have tried to destroy them, sabotage them and their mission for 6 years.

And regret and shame will be the legacy of this election.

118 posted on 01/08/2008 7:56:18 AM PST by roses of sharon
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RUSH: The Hucksters Make Their Case - and Finally Convince the Host?
119 posted on 01/08/2008 7:56:42 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Huckabee actually scares me more than Obama.

Yep. Huckster combines the worst portions of the left (economic nammy statism, class warfare) and the worst portions of the religious right (moral nanny statism, sectarian divisiveness); Obama at least would only afflict the nation with the former. Worse, he associates these concepts with the GOP brand name; Obama at least maintains their existing association with the Dems.

120 posted on 01/08/2008 7:59:40 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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